Quaker tonight

[snowman03gt]

Any one going tonight. I'm on my way back form the beach I'll be there for sure.

[punisher]

That's a maybe here. Depends how long I stay at shady side today.

[DTSVT03]

I believe I may make an appearance.

[KUTTER]

My girl and I might stop by for wings,alcohol,and a few hellos again. Just depends what time my daughter gets picked up.

[SlowOhFoh]

all of the kids are out of highschool and gradutated and all... its going to be retardfest 2010... i will be there to spectate and possibly sell car parts lol

[bottlefedpony]

SEFB will be there from 1-5....probably wont stay much after that

[Whyte864]

will be there with the goon squad tonight.

[2004GtStang]

i'll probably be out there.

[ezymney]

2 bad I live at the beach guess I will just have to bring my car when I visit fam in t.r.

[Stopsign32v]

I'll be out there. Not sure how drunk I'll be but I'll be out there.

[2004GtStang]

I'll be out there. Not sure how drunk I'll be but I'll be out there.

x2 lmao

[bolden3]

all of the kids are out of highschool and gradutated and all... its going to be retardfest 2010... i will be there to spectate and possibly sell car parts lol


Def need to have the camera out tonight fo sho!!! its gonna be RICESTASTIC

[The EnforceR]

I'll be out....haven't seen all you fools in 3-4 weeks anyways.

[Green to da Bean]

I'll be out....haven't seen all you fools in 3-4 weeks anyways.

Ah hell I hadn't even noticed.

[The EnforceR]

Leave it to you to say that haha. For that, you get a ninjee chop.

[The EnforceR]

Eh ya'll no me. Rain=me not going out hahah. Hope ya'll stay dry!

[08ss0144]

Raining in the springs. No good.

[89RABIDFOX]

Sam rain just screws up everything. Oh well. Maybe next week. If tranny is still in foxrod after Thursday.

[2004GtStang]

Well I had a good time, it was really nice to meet alot of you guys.

[Whyte864]

it rained? Was dry at quaker. except it smelled alot like bacon...

[rmtt]

all of the kids are out of highschool and gradutated and all... its going to be retardfest 2010... i will be there to spectate and possibly sell car parts lol



http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm211/mccrawtod/Wheels/23680684_400X225.jpg

[TurboLSX]

any good

[bolden3]

not really...was wondering where you were so i could make my pockets a little fatter... Dont work the Redkneck in the SS wasnt there anyways.

[TurboLSX]

not really...was wondering where you were so i could make my pockets a little fatter... Dont work the Redkneck in the SS wasnt there anyways.

DOES the goat want a piece of the jeep, maybe at greer thursday?

[bolden3]

DOES the goat want a piece of the jeep, maybe at greer thursday?

naw...the goat wont be ready for another two weeks. i was gonna put money on you vs the ss blazer.

[Stopsign32v]

They close the bar at 12am?!? GTFO!! I landed 3 drinks short of my goal. :D

[NEMESISVETTE]

That's a maybe here. Depends how long I stay at shady side today.
So the Punisher Drag car ran some 9sec Pa$$'s?

[TurboLSX]

naw...the goat wont be ready for another two weeks. i was gonna put money on you vs the ss blazer.

lol gotcha. so he wasnt out there, i though he was coming back with a huge shot of juice.

[2004GtStang]

So the Punisher Drag car ran some 9sec Pa$$'s?

maybe you should check your opti out Pun

[sepno77]

So the Punisher Drag car ran some 9sec Pa$$'s?

....

[punisher]

So the Punisher Drag car ran some 9sec Pa$$'s?

Its true. I went to test and tune and figured out that one of my wires was rubbing on the belt. So I made one pblahblahblah and parked it.

[KUTTER]

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/7/2/633820907326946345-JesusFacepalm.jpg

[sepno77]

lmao he said the same thing about your headgasket attempt.

[punisher]

another lt1 bashing thread.

[sepno77]

I think BJ had it right. LT1 = waist of $$$

[KUTTER]

Nah he didnt even know - went right under the radar. YA SEE I dont start a stupidity parade that puts a spot light on my HUMILITY. While making an epic sized CLOWN SHOE out of myself all while making false accusations and talking a gaaaaaang of sh!t that I cant back up. But to each his own...

[NEMESISVETTE]

Its true. I went to test and tune and figured out that one of my wires was rubbing on the belt. So I made one pblahblahblah and parked it.
Was this another HAYfield automotive install failure?

[punisher]

Was this another HAYfield automotive install failure?

No. Its a pain routing wires on a lt1 with headers, Wire just leaned on the belt. Ran on 7cyl so I parked it.

[89RABIDFOX]

is there any where to get 110 fuel around spartanburg other then treadwells.

[KUTTER]

Phillips on Union St use to

[punisher]

is there any where to get 110 fuel around spartanburg other then treadwells.

On 290 where we met up last week on 76 gas station. I know they do justin got some there.

[6Spdbbody]

No. Its a pain routing wires on a lt1 with headers, Wire just leaned on the belt. Ran on 7cyl so I parked it.

zip ties FTW

[punisher]

zip ties FTW

Yup already fixed. $17 dollers per wire. Glad only one broke.

[sepno77]

I forgot you can't post anything w/o it being criticized.

[NEMESISVETTE]

9 oH Brotha's

[PeelerSS]

^ lmmfao

[punisher]

Lol told u to hook my bottle up.

[KUTTER]

Sooo even though the stock LS1 ran lil slower than typical stock LS1s it still was faster than the LT1? The same LT1 that would have SO surely beat all those LS cars it was talkin ish too?That can only mean one thing...
http://www.katiebailey.co.uk/images/img_girl_pointing.jpg

[Coppertop8705]

bhahahahahah, when ever i need a pick me up i just read these threads

[bolden3]

My Stock ls1 went 8.4. A4 273 car.

[NEMESISVETTE]

http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/kk433/NEMESISFRC/l_101e6aa1417deb2fb912d33ae2c2a2cf.jpg

[punisher]

Think half of greenville police depot came by quaker last night.

[NEMESISVETTE]

The one that had the Honda pulled over in the parking lot fallowed me out and fallowed me all the way to exit 27 of 385.. Fuwker was sweatin me.

[KUTTER]

where you in the vette? It was the hash marks.Probably thought you an easy bust, with two strikes against you already and all

[punisher]

The one that had the Honda pulled over in the parking lot fallowed me out and fallowed me all the way to exit 27 of 385.. Fuwker was sweatin me.

Mins after u left cop went haulin azz thought he was coming for ya, should have purged at em.

[sepno77]

Sooo even though the stock LS1 ran lil slower than typical stock LS1s it still was faster than the LT1? The same LT1 that would have SO surely beat all those LS cars it was talkin ish too?That can only mean one thing...


Stick w/ what you know and thats opti's nothing more. Since you don't own an ls1 you probably think that 98-00 et the same as 01-02 lmao.

My Stock ls1 went 8.4. A4 273 car.

Here's a thought for you This is micheal's sig..... He runs the same times then you or maybe slower and look at all he has. If your talking about the gto then you comparing apples to oranges.

2000 z/28 M6
Mods: |Free Mods|Trashmaster|DMH cutout|LT's|ORY|Lid|K&N filter|Pro 5.0 Short shifter|Hurst shift knob|4.10's|.... thanks in part to Mr. Transmission of Spartanburg

8.XX @ 8X.X

[bolden3]

Stick w/ what you know and thats opti's nothing more. Since you don't own an ls1 you probably think that 98-00 et the same as 01-02 lmao.



Here's a thought for you This is micheal's sig..... He runs the same times then you or maybe slower and look at all he has. If your talking about the gto then you comparing apples to oranges.

2000 z/28 M6
Mods: |Free Mods|Trashmaster|DMH cutout|LT's|ORY|Lid|K&N filter|Pro 5.0 Short shifter|Hurst shift knob|4.10's|.... thanks in part to Mr. Transmission of Spartanburg

8.XX @ 8X.X

This was with my 99 TA..mods=STOCK.

[Coppertop8705]

blahblahblahblah! Two weeks after owning an ls1 and he can tell the difference between an ls1 and ls6 thats farther than ive made it I'm still trying to find the distributor

[KUTTER]

:blahblahblah: What I know is that majority people I know that had stock MANUAL LS f-bodies ran 8.7s and 8.8s pretty regular.No need get butthurt I wasnt knocking your time and like the new Camaro but your times in it are (SHOCK) less than average.Soooo Ill stick to what I know,optis.You stick to FAIL

I mean you can get all defensive but facts already presented. Alex built Z didnt perform AS SHOULD,your old Z ISNT performing as it should, NOW your LS doesnt perform AS well as other stock ones do? Its not coincidence, when its consistant.Now Ill shut up so you two can make more false accusations and pull out more excuses, and wrap it up with a big laugh from everyone at your expense.

So then u missed my post where it states that a wire jony routed broke. So my car was on 7cyl..

LoL - nope I saw your patent excuse #8.. Do a search and count up how many times have you said your reason for not performing AS should was because not "on all cylinders".

[Coppertop8705]

this was with my 99 ta..mods=stock.

8.46 @ 87

[NEMESISVETTE]

Stick w/ what you know and thats opti's nothing more. Since you don't own an ls1 you probably think that 98-00 et the same as 01-02 lmao.



Here's a thought for you This is micheal's sig..... He runs the same times then you or maybe slower and look at all he has. If your talking about the gto then you comparing apples to oranges.

2000 z/28 M6
Mods: |Free Mods|Trashmaster|DMH cutout|LT's|ORY|Lid|K&N filter|Pro 5.0 Short shifter|Hurst shift knob|4.10's|.... thanks in part to Mr. Transmission of Spartanburg

8.XX @ 8X.X
I was going to write a nice rebuttle to your ignorance..; but this will sum it up..


YOUR A FUWKING ReTARD!!! you dont know LT1's, You dont Know LS1's You dont know any motor blahblahblahblah.. What have you accomplished? Nothing is what.

[sepno77]

This was with my 99 TA..mods=STOCK.

I think them some good times for being stock. You must been rowing thru them gears. What track and season was it?

[KUTTER]

jesus christ!!! you just quoted him last page LMAO "A4" so i dont think he was rowing any gears..ya see, how the FAIL just radiates

[Coppertop8705]

I still shift the gears in an a4. I still have to bump it 1 to 2 to 3 = win

[KUTTER]

ok ill give you that but bumpin aint rowin. Plus lil c0cky arent ya?!? So sure can shift better than a computer lol

[Coppertop8705]

ok ill give you that but bumpin aint rowin. Plus lil c0cky arent ya?!? So sure can shift better than a computer lol

I beat forza so yes I can beat the computer

[NEMESISVETTE]

One sure way to find out you dont know jack ish bout cars

If for every mod you add to your car turns into a excuse to why your car Does Not perform. You might be a JackA$$

[sepno77]

:blahblahblah: What I know is that majority people I know that had stock MANUAL LS f-bodies ran 8.7s and 8.8s pretty regular.No need get butthurt I wasnt knocking your time and like the new Camaro but your times in it are (SHOCK) less than average.Soooo Ill stick to what I know,optis.You stick to FAIL

I mean you can get all defensive but facts already presented. Alex built Z didnt perform AS SHOULD,your old Z ISNT performing as it should, NOW your LS doesnt perform AS well as other stock ones do? Its not coincidence, when its consistant.Now Ill shut up so you two can make more false accusations and pull out more excuses, and wrap it up with a big laugh from everyone at your expense.


OMG so shocking of the times I ran in my stock car wow. I bet if I let diggler run my car he'd get better times then I did for sure. Since you like to run your mouth what dose your car run? Plz tell me. Pritty plz. 9.XX??? I bet your ish w/ that wanna bee lt4 cam you got won't brake into the 8's. I think its safe to say that you don't go out to the track cause your ish is full of lt4 hot cam kit Fail just like your headgasket, opti, water pump, spark plug attempts.

[Diggler]

keep em coming guys... this is great!

[bolden3]

I think them some good times for being stock. You must been rowing thru them gears. What track and season was it?

A4 in Drive...whareshoals....spring time. Fwiw coppertop owns the car now.

[Diggler]

was the big blueballz converter part of the stock package in viva la granger's car?

[KUTTER]

see how great you are at making a joke of yourself. I didnt do my headgaskets remember BJ did. Maybe you could learn from that. Perhaps he can fix the bucket you busted playing mechanic and pawned off on Alex. Or at least take one of them down the track so you COULD KNOW what its CAPABLE of?

And I dont talk sh!t. YOU two clown shoes do, like you thrive on humiliation.As stated many many many times by many members your ignorant.So again keep kicking your feet screaming like an infant give everyone a laugh again.Hell cant have a EPIC FAIL THREAD without you guys

[punisher]

OMG so shocking of the times I ran in my stock car wow. I bet if I let diggler run my car he'd get better times then I did for sure. Since you like to run your mouth what dose your car run? Plz tell me. Pritty plz. 9.XX??? I bet your ish w/ that wanna bee lt4 cam you got won't brake into the 8's. I think its safe to say that you don't go out to the track cause your ish is full of lt4 hot cam kit Fail just like your headgasket, opti, water pump, spark plug attempts.

He's gonna be Fcked when he needs a ride to work lol

[NEMESISVETTE]

OMG so shocking of the times I ran in my stock car wow. I bet if I let diggler run my car he'd get better times then I did for sure. Since you like to run your mouth what dose your car run? Plz tell me. Pritty plz. 9.XX??? I bet your ish w/ that wanna bee lt4 cam you got won't brake into the 8's. I think its safe to say that you don't go out to the track cause your ish is full of lt4 hot cam kit Fail just like your headgasket, opti, water pump, spark plug attempts.
I got money says I can drive Kutters bucket past your unearned LS1. What say you short fry?

[punisher]

I love 2 faced people I remember u talking blahblahblahblah about gary now he's you boi again right lol

[turboh22coupe]

I got money says I can drive Kutters bucket past your unearned LS1. What say you short fry?

Come on now gary you driving that is just funny. LOL I had to

[KUTTER]

He's gonna be Fcked when he needs a ride to work lol

Wont happen. Unlike a fool, i tend to learn from my mistakes.Plus if need be I have plenty friends love my company. Not just people I think friends but quick to blame some BS on me.

[NEMESISVETTE]

He's gonna be Fcked when he needs a ride to work lol
You dont have to worry bout drivin to that location anymore now do you..LMAO

[bolden3]

was the big blueballz converter part of the stock package in viva la granger's car?

Lol...No. I hear comvertors and LTs are good for 8 dohs though...

[NEMESISVETTE]

Come on now gary you driving that is just funny. LOL I had to
Keep buyin the stories. My stock is going up.

[punisher]

You dont have to worry bout drivin to that location anymore now do you..LMAO

True that lol

[KUTTER]

I love 2 faced people
LMAO no kidding you MUST. Your cry baby azz still posting
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7352/10651677.png

[sepno77]

see how great you are at making a joke of yourself. I didnt do my headgaskets remember BJ did. Maybe you could learn from that. Perhaps he can fix the bucket you busted playing mechanic and pawned off on Alex. Or at least take one of them down the track so you COULD KNOW what its CAPABLE of?

And I dont talk sh!t. YOU two clown shoes do, like you thrive on humiliation.As stated many many many times by many members your ignorant.So again keep kicking your feet screaming like an infant give everyone a laugh again.Hell cant have a EPIC FAIL THREAD without you guys

BFS!!!!!!!! ya BJ did your headgasket after you attempted the job w/ some friends and fu*ked it up. I could make an EPIC FAIL THREAD out of that story if I wanted to. lmao

Didn't answer my question after I said PLZ what the heck!!!!!!!!!

[NEMESISVETTE]

Hacker

[punisher]

Would u like me to remind u what blahblahblahblah u have said about ur boy since I'm the one that's 2 faced?

[NEMESISVETTE]

Would u like me to remind u what blahblahblahblah u have said about ur boy since I'm the one that's 2 faced?
What does it matter.. You think I give a $hit what someone says bout me.. Hellll atleast my name is in there mouth's..

[sepno77]

I got money says I can drive Kutters bucket past your unearned LS1. What say you short fry?

Race'd his bucket when I got my headers on the way to home. If you like we can put money on this one hot shot.

[sepno77]

What does it matter.. You think I give a $hit what someone says bout me.. Hellll atleast my name is in there mouth's..

I think you do.

[NEMESISVETTE]

I got money says I can drive Kutters bucket past your unearned LS1. What say you short fry?

Race'd his bucket when I got my headers on the way to home. If you like we can put money on this one hot shot.
Ya ,, read what I said...Jeez you quoted me for god sake.. Third word is "money"..

[punisher]

jony ur fueling the fire just end it.

[sepno77]

Would u like me to remind u what blahblahblahblah u have said about ur boy since I'm the one that's 2 faced?

I've got all the emails saved at work.

[sepno77]

jony ur fueling the fire just end it.

w/e I'm logging OFF.

[MrDavid]

This thread is heading down that road...

[punisher]

I've got all the emails saved at work.

Just leave it alone. Of topic.

[The EnforceR]

Wow....just Wow. When you asked if I had to use a press to get my rod bolts in, I knew cars weren't really your thing. Man, my car has never been fast, and I've never claimed for it to be fast, thats why I stick to show and shine where I still suck just as bad.....but you would think by reading ya'lls posts that ya'll were deep in the 6's and some of the heavy hitters on the street racing scene. Maybe if you go hang out with all the rice and bolt on GTs at Westgate it would make you think your cars are fast, but geez. I've learned that if you arne't at least deep into the 7's, you really have no say in anything racing related lol. Ya'll just stop...it is entertaining to say the least though!

[MrDavid]

w/e I'm logging OFF.

No you're not. You're just appearing to because you switched to invisible mode. Moderaters can see that ;)

[punisher]

Wow....just Wow. When you asked if I had to use a press to get my rod bolts in, I knew cars weren't really your thing. Man, my car has never been fast, and I've never claimed for it to be fast, thats why I stick to show and shine where I still suck just as bad.....but you would think by reading ya'lls posts that ya'll were deep in the 6's and some of the heavy hitters on the street racing scene. Maybe if you go hang out with all the rice and bolt on GTs at Westgate it would make you think your cars are fast, but geez. I've learned that if you arne't at least deep into the 7's, you really have no say in anything racing related lol. Ya'll just stop...it is entertaining to say the least though!

Your Right. He's got a bone stock ls1 with ugly wheels, and I have a slow lt1. Doesnt BOTHER ME.

Kyle should have came last night the streets weren't that wet lol

[KUTTER]

Seriously you two ever see Pink Floyd the Wall? You remind me of the Judge - dead serious. I have never seen anyone so **** talented in the art of making themselves look like a ignorant rambling pu$$y. People will straight clown you and youll come back kissing azz and smiling like a beat puppy ITS MADNESS! I was gonna hold my tounge but i figured I get blamed for what I dont do so may as well just put it all out there.

Do you think I confided in some secret that I didnt voice to Gary? Im not a pu$$y I talked some words to him, and he talked some right back sooooo?Im done with this you two dont need my help making a name for yourselves.

[TurboLSX]

so whos racing who, lots of smack talking going on here.

[The EnforceR]

Your Right. He's got a bone stock ls1 with ugly wheels, and I have a slow lt1. Doesnt BOTHER ME.

Kyle should have came last night the streets weren't that wet lol


Driving car in the rain doesn't bother me....many have seenT me out in the rain. I clean that ish up quick anyways, water hardly sticks to it haha. I didn't go because it's not much fun standing in a parking lot with rain coming down on ya haha.

[punisher]

Seriously you two ever see Pink Floyd the Wall? You remind me of the Judge - dead serious. I have never seen anyone so **** talented in the art of making themselves look like a ignorant rambling pu$$y. People will straight clown you and youll come back kissing azz and smiling like a beat puppy ITS MADNESS! I was gonna hold my tounge but i figured I get blamed for what I dont do so may as well just put it all out there.

Do you think I confided in some secret that I didnt voice to Gary? Im not a pu$$y I talked some words to him, and he talked some right back sooooo?Im done with this you two dont need my help making a name for yourselves.

Ok cool.

[Diggler]

i would call out the LS1 car if i still had an LT1 street car. lol

[punisher]

i would call out the LS1 car if i still had an LT1 street car. lol

Lol.

Why would u prefer a lt1 over ls1?

[6Spdbbody]

Lol.

Why would u prefer a lt1 over ls1?

It's always fun to be the underdog. With times like a 9.0 i may call him out, but i better not, with my luck i'll blow my **** up to embarass him.

[punisher]

I think it could have ran better time. But he only made 1 pass aswell. Let's see what he can get out of it when the 3inch exhuast and bolt ons.

[Coppertop8705]

Atleast these threads go faster than their cars

[TurboLSX]

underdog....black box will run anyone in this thread.

[LWillmann]

No you're not. You're just appearing to because you switched to invisible mode. Moderaters can see that ;)

you stirring the pot? ;)

EDIT: added question mark.

[KUTTER]

underdog....black box


underdog...black box those are opposing ideas

[LWillmann]

I will say this:

I miss my LT1 car.

But if I had an LSx engine and T56 to drop into my Cutty, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

But, SBC vs LT1, I'll keep by LT1 to stay away from the Optispark and not have to convert it to a dizzy.

But, I think sticking a T56 behind the SBC would be a blast.

[Nauty99SS]

underdog....black box will run anyone in this thread.

x2

[punisher]

Atleast these threads go faster than their cars

Speaking of cars. How's yours running?

[punisher]

underdog....black box will run anyone in this thread.

Lol we know..

[1997b4c]

wow i missed alot today lmao....kutter even if you did **** up a head gasket job lol imo thats way harder than a cam swap and we obviously know who cant do that right lmao.

[1997b4c]

what happen arre we under a no cussing ban?????

[KUTTER]

lol nah Lee just got the censorship on red alert. No I never tried to do my head gaskets myself, but nor did I EVER race Sepno. Saw the pic of the car is that vinyl or paint? I remember you mentioned a full wrap before

[punisher]

wow i missed alot today lmao....kutter even if you did **** up a head gasket job lol imo thats way harder than a cam swap and we obviously know who cant do that right lmao.

It wasn't anything he did wrong in the cam swap a lifter took a dump on him.

Imo pulling the heads off isn't hard either. Guess everything is harder the first time. None of these 2 guy knew how to do opti. And now they can do it in less the 2 hrs just a matter of learning. Imo.

[2004GtStang]

Hilarious.

[Coppertop8705]

Speaking of cars. How's yours running?

it actually got "f.a.s.t.er" while not even moving......

[NEMESISVETTE]

it actually got "f.a.s.t.er" while not even moving......
F~uel
A~ir
S~park
T~echnology

[GotOpti]

what a bunch of bitches.......

[rmtt]

LMAO...Love the user name.

[Coppertop8705]

F~uel
A~ir
S~park
T~echnology

:secret:

[Green to da Bean]

I think its safe to say that you don't go out to the track cause your ish is full of lt4 hot cam kit Fail .

Dont get on that band wagon. Local cars with the hotcam have gone faster on motor than any of your heaps ever will. Keep in mind I'm not being mean saying that, but rather just presenting a fact.

[SlowOhFoh]

didnt dans car run like 11's with one?


like back in 1999

[punisher]

Dont get on that band wagon. Local cars with the hotcam have gone faster on motor than any of your heaps ever will. Keep in mind I'm not being mean saying that, but rather just presenting a fact.

I'm sure your right. Imo I think if he would have made more then 1 pass he could have done better.

[Diggler]

Lol.

Why would u prefer a lt1 over ls1?
everything has positives and negatives.... if shooting for more than 400rwhp on a budget, give me my LT1's anyday.

[Green to da Bean]

didnt dans car run like 11's with one?


like back in 1999

Dan and Shon both have. Matter of fact, I havent seen where anyone actually went faster with a hotcam than those two have.

Then again, I havent ran the hotcam yet. LOL. :nutkick:

[Green to da Bean]

I'm sure your right. Imo I think if he would have made more then 1 pass he could have done better.

Could have 500 more passes, it wont matter.

[LWillmann]

everything has positives and negatives.... if shooting for more than 400rwhp on a budget, give me my LT1's anyday.

This can be done easily with an LS1 too. Just as easily as an LT1, I might add.

It's a matter of preference.

These days there seems to be a lot more potential for the LSx series engine. There is certainly more support out there for it, because the engine platform is used in multiple vehicles.

[Diggler]

This can be done easily with an LS1 too. Just as easily as an LT1, I might add.

It's a matter of preference.

These days there seems to be a lot more potential for the LSx series engine. There is certainly more support out there for it, because the engine platform is used in multiple vehicles.

to hit 450, youll be getting heads for either engine. why buy a $6k LS1 car when you can do the same thing with a $3k LT1 car.

[punisher]

Use to be ford vs gm now its gm vs gm lol

[WhiteIrocZ]

Ford vs. GM battle died in 1993. Since then they've yet to catch up.

[LWillmann]

to hit 450, youll be getting heads for either engine. why buy a $6k LS1 car when you can do the same thing with a $3k LT1 car.

Not necessarily true.

Plenty of LS1 cars put down over 330 RWHP stock. Throw a 150HP wet kit on it and call it a day. Way less cost than a cam or set of heads.

Traditionally the reasonable limit for nitrous is 20HP per cylinder (assuming a truly stock shortblock), so at 150HP, you're within that, and we know the LS1 can handle at least that as long as you're not revving to the moon and stressing the rod bolts.

But, I didn't realize we were discussing having to purchase the car to get the engine. I was merely discussing the aftermarket parts support and my personal preferences as to which engine I would prefer to have in my car if given a choice.

[Green to da Bean]

to hit 450, youll be getting heads for either engine. why buy a $6k LS1 car when you can do the same thing with a $3k LT1 car.

To add to that, you see equal damn near an equal amount of cars making 450+ to the tires...and thats not that many. I know that since I've done both, my LS1 made a smidge more power, but I also had THOUSANDS more in it to make that kind of power. Now ask me...which car/motor have a chose to make a "play car" out of?

A '94 Camaro, with a fuckin' LT1.

[LWillmann]

Ford vs. GM battle died in 1993. Since then they've yet to catch up.

We will have to see what 2011 brings from the Ford and GM camps.

[LWillmann]

To add to that, you see equal damn near an equal amount of cars making 450+ to the tires...and thats not that many. I know that since I've done both, my LS1 made a smidge more power, but I also had THOUSANDS more in it to make that kind of power. Now ask me...which car/motor have a chose to make a "play car" out of?

A '94 Camaro, with a fuckin' LT1.

Am I gonna have to turn the censor back on?

[SlowOhFoh]

gm has yet to respond with the 2011 camaro SS but the 2011GT is currently .1 and like .5mph faster in the 1/8th.

[Green to da Bean]

Plenty of LS1 cars put down over 330 RWHP stock.

Made mine 292 stock. Ended up making 360 to the tires with bolt on's. Ran the same as my 305 rwhp LT1, lol. Sure, the GTO weighed more than my Camaro, but I also had bought lots more expensive parts (like intake manifolds and LT headers) vs the much cheaper LT1 stuff. The only real advantage of the LS1 stuff is in stock/bolt on form. Both heads when ported flow the same and make the same amount of power. Both motors have aftermarket heads that pretty much flow and make the same power.

For years regular SBC's have been going fast, yet there seems, well rather is, a whole crop of retards that somehow dont think you can go fast unless you have a LSX motor. And I rather enjoy these guys.:thumbs up:

[Green to da Bean]

Am I gonna have to turn the censor back on?

I need a low coolant level sensor.

[2001z]

gm has yet to respond with the 2011 camaro SS but the 2011GT is currently .1 and like .5mph faster in the 1/8th.

I agree ford finally got there head out of there ass with the new 5.0 gt and made a good starting platform. Just not sure how its gonna respond to alot of modding. Glad finally someone made a new sports car(besides the vette) that isnt 4000+ lbs LOL

[DTSVT03]

Oh how quickly you guys forget the 03-04 Cobra. Shoot I was running mid 8's with a 99 Cobra back in 2002, all I needed was a gear and some radials and I would have been in the 7's with that nearly bone stock car.

[TurboLSX]

Oh how quickly you guys forget the 03-04 Cobra. Shoot I was running mid 8's with a 99 Cobra back in 2002, all I needed was a gear and some radials and I would have been in the 7's with that nearly bone stock car.

lets see what that lightning can do this thursday at greer. ill bring the jeep

[Green to da Bean]

lets see what that lightning can do this thursday at greer. ill bring the jeep

I'll bring the Camaro.

[2001z]

Oh how quickly you guys forget the 03-04 Cobra. Shoot I was running mid 8's with a 99 Cobra back in 2002, all I needed was a gear and some radials and I would have been in the 7's with that nearly bone stock car.

I was meaning N/A cars. Im sure the 03-04 cobra was produced to compete more with vettes.

[punisher]

For years regular SBC's have been going fast, yet there seems, well rather is, a whole crop of retards that somehow dont think you can go fast unless you have a LSX motor. And I rather enjoy these guys.:thumbs up:

Lol

[2001z]

I think the lt1 vs ls1 debate is lame. Both have there pros and cons.

[08ss0144]

I agree ford finally got there head out of there ass with the new 5.0 gt. Glad finally someone made a new sports car(besides the vette) that isnt 4000+ lbs LOL

Gary would argue that point with you. Saying a four seat car is NOT a sports car. (His point of view / not mine LOL )

[KUTTER]

I think the lt1 vs ls1 debate is lame. Both have there pros and cons.

From what I read it wasnt ever about LT1s or LS1s in general, but rather specific people and their isolated results. The defective factor in any of the arguments was never the engine itself. lmao

[Coppertop8705]

i chose the ls1 platform because i like how the intake looks, like a clam shell kind of. and being a previous honda owner i can be cool like the other kids and paint my engine different schemes

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/_miLan_/HondaK20Burberry.jpg

[KUTTER]

look like my wallet lol

[justamach]

Ford vs. GM battle died in 1993. Since then they've yet to catch up.

ouch. dissagree

[2004GtStang]

ouch. dissagree
x2 they quit making the gaymaro because they were scared of the termi

[KUTTER]

Funny hadnt heard of a 2011 termi??!?? Also didnt they start producing the termi AFTER stopped making camaros? Who would that make the scared one?

[2004GtStang]

lol the camaro stopped in 02 bc gm knew that they couldn't compete with the 03 cobra.

[Diggler]

lol the camaro stopped in 02 bc gm knew that they couldn't compete with the 03 cobra.
had nothing to do with it being a 9 year old platform.....

[Nauty99SS]

lol the camaro stopped in 02 bc gm knew that they couldn't compete with the 03 cobra.

bfs !!!

[KUTTER]

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e309/uleryrns/animated/vincentpricebyhorrorbob1hb1.gif

I actually like the 03-04 cobras ALOT. But seriously the price they went for when new, not really even comparable to camaros. For the bang for buck factor could bought a LT1 or LS1 and threw a blower on it and still had enough for a trip to the beach passing every mustang on the way.Is that why they quit making the termis?PERHAPS

[2004GtStang]

I like termis too but they're still really pricey. My favorite mustangs are still the 03 04mach 1s.

[KUTTER]

Ehhh not a huge mach fan.Always thought the Termis, Foxs, and 67's are absolute S3X though. Hell guy at work with 2011 doesnt look that shabby either lol. Ford, GM, Dodge, I can get down with any of those 3.

[justamach]

had nothing to do with it being a 9 year old platform.....

hell no lol

[justamach]

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e309/uleryrns/animated/vincentpricebyhorrorbob1hb1.gif

I actually like the 03-04 cobras ALOT. But seriously the price they went for when new, not really even comparable to camaros. For the bang for buck factor could bought a LT1 or LS1 and threw a blower on it and still had enough for a trip to the beach passing every mustang on the way.Is that why they quit making the termis?PERHAPS

machs are comparable to the ls1s, imo, and didnt have the cobra price tag

[punisher]

lol the camaro stopped in 02 bc gm knew that they couldn't compete with the 03 cobra.

Lol ya that's bullshi+ lol I like 03 cobra a lot but for 20k id own a badaZZ vette.

[punisher]

machs are comparable to the ls1s, imo, and didnt have the cobra price tag

I like machs. seen a sexy mach at partycity 1 night. Sonic blue with black wheels.

[Napalm331]

They quit making F-bodies because they were big heavy turds and the V-6 mustang was outselling the V-6 gm's 2 to 1. In case you didn't know, that is what drives the sales and success of a sports car these days. They only make the V-8 models because the other cars justify the luxury.

[KUTTER]

Id be willing to bet that statistically 80% of the drivers of those V6 mustangs were girls who's dad didnt want to pay insurance on a V8 but wanted his lil princess be happy. Like not knocking FORD but I really considered the mustang a girls car between 94-99. I mean every girl in HS wanted a purple or yellow one. But I agree sales drives production

[punisher]

Lmao

[2004GtStang]

new v6 mustang is gonna hand some of the 2v v8s their ass haha

[punisher]

new v6 mustang is gonna hand some of the 2v v8s their ass haha

You right They come factory 305 v6 lol

[BluByU383]

hell no lol

GM had to quit making Camaros so Mustangs could be the the fastest pony car....lol

[02ws6NBM]

blah blah blah. V-6 mustang was outselling the V-6 gm's 2 to 1. blah blah blah

damn messicans.......

[PeelerSS]

^ nachooooooooooooo

[justamach]

GM had to quit making Camaros so Mustangs could be the the fastest pony car....lol

lol. ill take what ever they wanna give us.

[DTSVT03]

lets see what that lightning can do this thursday at greer. ill bring the jeep

I actually plan on coming up there Thursday, but I'm not even going to watse my time with the truck being on street tires, especially with this rediculous 4.10 gear.

[punisher]

If the jeep is on st tires would be a nice race to watch.

Vortech srt8 jeep vs 700 hp lighting

[The EnforceR]

THat Jeep hasn't had a blower on it since before Christmas lol.

[TurboLSX]

THat Jeep hasn't had a blower on it since before Christmas lol.

yeah it back to stock. I would like to know who this septno guy is? i think he is scared of the jeep in stock formation.

[LWillmann]

machs are comparable to the ls1s, imo, and didnt have the cobra price tag

If machs are comparable to the ls1s, then that means my LT1 was comparable to the LS1, SWEET. :blah blah: Just picking at ya. LOL

Don't get me wrong, I really liked the Mach 1's, thought it was a great package, but I felt they were under powered. I felt they needed something more under the hood than they had, something to put them closer to the 'vette, IMO.

But then I have a different opinion of performance packages on vehicles from manufacturers.

Mustang for example:
I feel that if you buy a base model, you get a base model for a base price. If you buy a premium V6, you should get a premium V6, with a premium tune that has more power than the base model. If you buy the base GT, you get the base GT V8 tuning. If you buy the GT Premium you get the premium options, plus a tune with more power. The California Special, a different tune that gives slightly more power maybe, in addition to the appearance mods. You want the Mach 1, give the people a factory CAI, bump the tuning, change the gears, etc and make it really worth their while to own the thing. Make it worth their hard earned $$$.

For Camaro in 2011:
1LT: 305 HP for the auto, 315 for the manual.
1LT/RS: 315 HP for the auto, 325 for the manual.
2LT: 315 for the auto, 325 for the manual
2LT/RS: 325 auto, 335 for the manual.
1SS: 425 auto, 450 manual.
1SS/RS: 440 auto, 465 manual
2SS: 440 auto, 465 manual.
2SS/RS: 465 auto, 480 manual.
2012:
Z/28: 550 manual <--- only offered in manual editions.
Z/28 / RS : 575 manual

I expect the Camaro to keep the same basic trim packages, but would like to see the RS offered up for all trim levels.

And most importantly, keep the pricing where it is. There is no problem changing the tuning. It's just a matter of flashing the PCM for them, so have at it.

[punisher]

All that hp but there heavy as hell.

[KUTTER]

(insert random nonsense) and an lol

[LWillmann]

All that hp but there heavy as hell.

That's funny.

And your pig of an LT1 isn't? There's 200-300's difference (roughly) between the 4th and 5th gen Camaro, model - model.

Add the extra power over the 4th gen that the 5th gen would get in my line-up and I think it would get an obvious advantage.

Where the 5th gen comes up really short is in gearing and tire size. Tall tires plus poor gearing IMO. They need 4.10's from the factory if they're gonna run the big a$$ wheels. That really seems to wake them up.

If my LT1 car weighed as much as a 2SS/RS 5th gen Camaro and would walk a Mach 1 that 'compares to the ls1s', then I'd say the extra horsepower will certainly help the 5th gen.

IMO, people have become jaded and even complacent with big HP numbers. They expect it these days. If you're not running a 10 or 11 second (1/4 mile) street car, you don't have squat in other people's eyes.

When I made my post above, I was speaking from the standpoint of giving peope their money's worth, not HP for weight. If you had read my post, you would have seen that in with the Mustang example.

Some people might want a middle of the road V8 with the appearance package, while others might want a full-out V8 and be willing to pay the extra money to get it.

When I built my car, I set a RWHP goal, and almost had it when a Cadillac pulled out in front of me and took the car and almost my life away from me three weeks after my son was born.

I look at things differently than you guys do. A lot of you guys look at it from the LT1 vs LS1, or GM vs Ford vs Crysler (Dodge), or this HP vs that HP, or this time vs that time, or this callout vs that callout, etc. I just don't always see it that way. Sometimes I do, but it's not always cut and dry like that for me.

[KUTTER]

Damn Lee Im glad you made sense of that. Ive been scratching my head in an effort to figure out "where" was heavy?!?

All that hp but there heavy as hell.

giggle- seriously though Dodge,GM,Ford, all pretty much make something everyone will or wont like.I agree, people get hung up on HP alot. When educated people have shown that lower HP can make better times with proper set up. I personally pay att to TQ because to me that indicates how worried one should be about destroying drivetrain components.

[justamach]

stock for stock, machs would walk an lt1. stock for stock machs and ls1s are close. mine never got outrun by one and it wasnt because i was scared to race. the machs are a huge upgrade from gts. they have a different engine, different gear, different suspension, different bakes, sub frames, different interior, ram air. its just a completely different car.

[punisher]

stock for stock, machs would walk an lt1. stock for stock machs and ls1s are close. mine never got outrun by one and it wasnt because i was scared to race. the machs are a huge upgrade from gts. they have a different engine, different gear, different suspension, different bakes, sub frames, different interior, ram air. its just a completely different car.

I agree with machs>lt1, but I don't think a mach will out run a ls1. I remember u out running that orange ls1 nite at partycity but I think its bc it was an auto. Imo

[Diggler]

stock mach1's run 8.50's?

[LWillmann]

I agree with machs>lt1, but I don't think a mach will out run a ls1. I remember u out running that orange ls1 nite at partycity but I think its bc it was an auto. Imo

Not trying to bash on you dude, but it doesn't seem like it was too long ago that you were trying to talk the LT1 up like it was God's gift to the automotive world and it was > ALL others.

Now, you're siding with the Mach 1, 3v head 4.6l Ram Air Modular engine, but still being sure to give props to the LS1.

Actually it appears more like this (in terms that the people on this board can easily understand): you're taking it up the ass from the LS1 while giving the Mach 1 the hummer.

Just exactly where do you stand on the issue of engine performance and capabilities anyway, LOL? I mean, you OWN an LT1 don't you? You turning coat on the heart that powers your very own vehicle?



NOTE: Don't take offense to what I've said here, it's all meant in fun and only for mental picture sake because of the way you seem to have shifted your tone lately from talking up your LT1 and gone to siding with the 3v Mod 4.6 and LS1.

[KUTTER]

Actually it appears more like this (in terms that the people on this board can easily understand): you're taking it up the ass from the LS1 while giving the Mach 1 the hummer.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc169/n1lilart/Animated%20Photos/AnimatedDogLaughing.gif

[DTSVT03]

stock mach1's run 8.50's?

My 99 cobra was pretty much stock.....no cats and flows welded in.

Not trying to bash on you dude, but it doesn't seem like it was too long ago that you were trying to talk the LT1 up like it was God's gift to the automotive world and it was > ALL others.

Now, you're siding with the Mach 1, 3v head 4.6l Ram Air Modular engine, but still being sure to give props to the LS1.

Actually it appears more like this (in terms that the people on this board can easily understand): you're taking it up the ass from the LS1 while giving the Mach 1 the hummer.

Just exactly where do you stand on the issue of engine performance and capabilities anyway, LOL? I mean, you OWN an LT1 don't you? You turning coat on the heart that powers your very own vehicle?



NOTE: Don't take offense to what I've said here, it's all meant in fun and only for mental picture sake because of the way you seem to have shifted your tone lately from talking up your LT1 and gone to siding with the 3v Mod 4.6 and LS1.
Mach 1's have the 4.6L DOHC engine, they are a little different from the old 99/01 Cobra engine. The heads flow better and the cams are a little more aggresive.

[LWillmann]

My bad, I thought they were the 3v Head. I forgot that didn't start until '05.

Thanks for the correction...

[punisher]

Not trying to bash on you dude, but it doesn't seem like it was too long ago that you were trying to talk the LT1 up like it was God's gift to the automotive world and it was > ALL others.

Now, you're siding with the Mach 1, 3v head 4.6l Ram Air Modular engine, but still being sure to give props to the LS1.

Actually it appears more like this (in terms that the people on this board can easily understand): you're taking it up the ass from the LS1 while giving the Mach 1 the hummer.

Just exactly where do you stand on the issue of engine performance and capabilities anyway, LOL? I mean, you OWN an LT1 don't you? You turning coat on the heart that powers your very own vehicle?



NOTE: Don't take offense to what I've said here, it's all meant in fun and only for mental picture sake because of the way you seem to have shifted your tone lately from talking up your LT1 and gone to siding with the 3v Mod 4.6 and LS1.

I'm not siding with machs nor LS1. I was talking about stock for stock. I'm going based on what I've seen. I've seen justmach out run lt1s. Even my lt1 when it was stock. Imo stock for stock machs are faster then lt1 but not faster then ls1s. I like my lt1 just can't stand opti's.

[KUTTER]

TRANSLATES TO: "yeah I bite my lip and take it"

[Diggler]

if we still had shon's bolt on LT1 car we could've lined it up with the mach1 bolt on car....

[LWillmann]

I'm not siding with machs nor LS1. I was talking about stock for stock. I'm going based on what I've seen. I've seen justmach out run lt1s. Even my lt1 when it was stock. Imo stock for stock machs are faster then lt1 but not faster then ls1s. I like my lt1 just can't stand opti's.

I never had a problem out of my Opti....

[coupe]

I owned a 04 mach one and it went a 8.62 bone stock on street tires, a good friend of mine had one with a predator and a cold air on some drag radials went 8.20.

[justamach]

my mach 1, absolutely positively bone stock went 8.32 at union with a nitto dr. i put a cai and upr front suspension on and went 8.14. now i have upr front suspension, cai, off road h, magnapacs, 4.30 gear, 6 speed, and short shifter, tune, and the best now is 8.05.

[TurboLSX]

my mach 1, absolutely positively bone stock went 8.32 at union with a nitto dr. i put a cai and upr front suspension on and went 8.14. now i have upr front suspension, cai, off road h, magnapacs, 4.30 gear, 6 speed, and short shifter, tune, and the best now is 8.05.

dang those mods were well worth it...

... $4,000 for 9hp thats $444.00 per horsepower.:thumbs up:

just kidding

[justamach]

the 99-01 cobra has more agressive cams then the machs.

[punisher]

dang those mods were well worth it...

... $4,000 for 9hp thats $444.00 per horsepower.:thumbs up:

just kidding

Lol

[justamach]

dang those mods were well worth it...

... $4,000 for 9hp thats $444.00 per horsepower.:thumbs up:

just kidding

lol. all the parts i put on my car is stuff i accumulated while playing with my old cobra. yea, i was pretty disappointed with the outcome after all the mods. youd be suprised how little i really do have in all my mods though

[TurboLSX]

lol. all the parts i put on my car is stuff i accumulated while playing with my old cobra. yea, i was pretty disappointed with the outcome after all the mods. youd be suprised how little i really do have in all my mods though

at least your picked up. the jeep went 8.5 stock, put a cold air intake and tune and it went 8.9s. thats $500.00 and LOST 4 tenths.

[justamach]

at least your picked up. the jeep went 8.5 stock, put a cold air intake and tune and it went 8.9s. thats $500.00 and LOST 4 tenths.

lol. true. mine did pick up mph, but it lost 60 foot. i added up ALL my parts and it totaled right at 1500. the rest was parts ive accumulated from recent cars. not bad imo.

[LWillmann]

my mach 1, absolutely positively bone stock went 8.32 at union with a nitto dr. i put a cai and upr front suspension on and went 8.14. now i have upr front suspension, cai, off road h, magnapacs, 4.30 gear, 6 speed, and short shifter, tune, and the best now is 8.05.

Well shoot, my LT1 bone stock with 400lbs of stereo and my 240lbs ass, car seat and all went 9.20's (2.73 gears). Pull the stereo, car seat, stick bolt ons and gears (2.73's on the auto) on it and it out runs Mach 1's with ~300 RWHP on a street tune and even better with a lean arse (15:1) nitrous shot.

[LWillmann]

I got lucky. My mods run me from 238RWHP to 290RWHP NA, and over 415 RWHP on the bottle. (315 RWTQ on the stock trans, NA)

I did good. Last run on my car, even lean as hell showed me daylight on the front wheel at the track.

With the 125HP wet shot on the street, at 70MPH when it started spraying, it went sideways. My car was strong for 120K miles, and a 4000lb pig.

[justamach]

lol. this argument could go on for ever. all im saying is my mach 1(in my opinion was a factory freak) impressed me. it put up good numbers at the track. stock for stock i would put it against nearly anything. i even put it against modded cars that i thought would walk it and it held its ground pretty well. of course, its not stock anymore, so them days are over.

[justamach]

everyone has there own opinion on which is faster(stock for stock), or what not. and i would argue til im blue in the face that machs are. but it doesnt really do much good because im obviously not stock anymore and neither is 99% of the ls1s on here to find out.

[Diggler]

my mach 1, absolutely positively bone stock went 8.32 at union with a nitto dr.

what did it run on STOCK tires?

[Green to da Bean]

I know since many on here think Shon's old silver car was a race car, I'll use my old Lt1 car as an example. '96 Lt1/M6 car. 52mm TB, 1.6 rockers, 1 5/8's shorty headers, exhaust dumping underneath as well as a MSD 6 AL box. 4.10 gear. It had a BMR K member and rear sway bar, Jegster/Mac torque arm. Stock springs, shocks, control arms and panhard bar. Front and rear bumpers were gone, as was the back seat. Weighed 3360 with me in it. It would go 7.8/88 ish mph in the heat on a 255/50-16 BFG DR. On spray it went 7.14/98.8 mph on a 26x11.50-16 ET Street.

Now, dont get me wrong, I know Mach 1's can be made fast. I know some (Jeff Schmell for example) have went just as fast as I did in Shon's car (11.8/115) with bolt on's on motor. Maybe stock for stock the Mach 1's are quicker than a LT1 car, but not after some bolt on's. They're really close. Which, is no where near as quick as the faster LS1 cars. In the 1/8th mile Mustangs have alway been pretty close stock for stock, thanks mostly to the far superior gearing that comes in them. DT's old Cobra was one of the few 4 valve cars that did suprise me, it was waaaaay faster than all the rest in the area, and it was a '99 model, the year that SUCKED lol. That thing would crack off 8.4's on the norm, and it really didnt have anything done. That being said I like 4 valve cars, in particular the Mach 1's. High revving motor, solid rear end is nice.

Then again, that was 10 years ago, so it doesnt count...Does it Gary?

[MrDavid]

Then again, that was 10 years ago, so it doesnt count...Does it Gary?

Judges? We will accept this answer

[justamach]

what did it run on STOCK tires?

no idea. the day i bought it i put my cobra wheels and tires on it. my car would run 8.4x all day as stock as a stock gets, except dr's. it went accasional 8.3Xs. when i say stock, i mean STOCK.

[Green to da Bean]

Here's a an old page with Schmell's info (at the time) since I think I'm the only one who knows who this guy is.

http://www.mach-1.org/flash/1183jeff.html

[Nauty99SS]

Here's a an old page with Schmell's info (at the time) since I think I'm the only one who knows who this guy is.

http://www.mach-1.org/flash/1183jeff.html

and thats stock ?

[Green to da Bean]

It lists what he's got done honky. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

[justamach]

push rod engines are definately cheaper and the lt/ls engines have the mod motors by 60+ cubes. so yes i agree, modded vs. modded the 4v mod engines are definitely underdogs.

[Nauty99SS]

i keep hearing stock ... does anyone on here know what stock means ... lmao ...

[sepno77]

everyone has there own opinion on which is faster(stock for stock), or what not. and i would argue til im blue in the face that machs are. but it doesnt really do much good because im obviously not stock anymore and neither is 99% of the ls1s on here to find out.

Dam, I guess I'm that 1% lol

[LWillmann]

Dam, I guess I'm that 1% lol

BFS, you changed your wheels and tires. You're modded bish. LMAO

[sepno77]

BFS, you changed your wheels and tires. You're modded bish. LMAO

Your right. I forgot i'm also the fastest n2o car in the upstate. lol

[justamach]

stock means untouched. the only nuts/bolts touched on my car at the time i say it was stock was lug nuts. 100% how it came off the lot, except wheels and tires

[Nauty99SS]

stock means untouched. the only nuts/bolts touched on my car at the time i say it was stock was lug nuts. 100% how it came off the lot, except wheels and tires

then it was not stock ... lol

[DTSVT03]

Tim that class is called factory stock and those engines are stock internally including heads and cams

[Nauty99SS]

Tim that class is called factory stock and those engines are stock internally including heads and cams

lol ... i know was just bustn balls ... he said he changed wheels and tires .. so i say its not stock ... lol

[KUTTER]

then it was not stock ... lol

x2 BS!!! that things a RACECAR

[The EnforceR]

I know since many on here think Shon's old silver car was a race car, I'll use my old Lt1 car as an example. '96 Lt1/M6 car. 52mm TB, 1.6 rockers, 1 5/8's shorty headers, exhaust dumping underneath as well as a MSD 6 AL box. 4.10 gear. It had a BMR K member and rear sway bar, Jegster/Mac torque arm. Stock springs, shocks, control arms and panhard bar. Front and rear bumpers were gone, as was the back seat. Weighed 3360 with me in it. It would go 7.8/88 ish mph in the heat on a 255/50-16 BFG DR. On spray it went 7.14/98.8 mph on a 26x11.50-16 ET Street.

Now, dont get me wrong, I know Mach 1's can be made fast. I know some (Jeff Schmell for example) have went just as fast as I did in Shon's car (11.8/115) with bolt on's on motor. Maybe stock for stock the Mach 1's are quicker than a LT1 car, but not after some bolt on's. They're really close. Which, is no where near as quick as the faster LS1 cars. In the 1/8th mile Mustangs have alway been pretty close stock for stock, thanks mostly to the far superior gearing that comes in them. DT's old Cobra was one of the few 4 valve cars that did suprise me, it was waaaaay faster than all the rest in the area, and it was a '99 model, the year that SUCKED lol. That thing would crack off 8.4's on the norm, and it really didnt have anything done. That being said I like 4 valve cars, in particular the Mach 1's. High revving motor, solid rear end is nice.

Then again, that was 10 years ago, so it doesnt count...Does it Gary?

This may be the best post youve ever made.