Flight???

[PNYKLR2]

Do you ever wonder if there were no flying animals on the earth if we would have ever discovered flight? I was really puzzled by this today. Its kinda deep I know but I need to think wierd sometimes. Not to mention if aliens do exsist what are the chances they would ever think about flight. I mean I personally don't believe that there is other intelligent life out there, from a biblical stand point. But for those of you who think they might exsist what do you think about that?

Seriously most inovations and inventions are based on principles of life and its surroundings. So flight without something to base it on? what do you think?

[Phoenix 5.7]

i think so, but might have taken longer. yes we started tryin to mimic natural flight and failed miserably. but we discovered the atom bomb without any real natural stuff to influence it. someone would of seen a paper glide to the ground and try to replicate that on a larger level or something. as far as aliens, i have know idea really. if you look at it as far as a religious POV, why would God have created this enormous universe that we will never be able to explore just for us to wonder about. and from an evolutionary POV, i can't see that we have the only planet in the entire universe that has the only ingreients for life to form.

[WhiteKnightZ28]

Three words for ya:

DO LESS *****

On a more serious note, I think someone would have thought of it sooner or later, it probibly would have taken longer but in the end someone would have stumbled apon the idea. Think about it this way: Animals don't have TVs but we invented them anyways.

[PNYKLR2]

Yea an animals don't have balls but we got em. (refering to sports balls....)

[1slow01Z71]

Im agnostic as far as religious POV goes. I just think that with all the other planets in the universe there has to be atleast a few planets that have all the right stuff to support life out there IMO. I think that there are probably some civilizations out there that are ahead of use and some behind us. I just really cant believe that out of the millions of planets out there that there isnt some that are supporting life from the microbe level to advanced lifeforms such as ourselves or even more advanced.

[PNYKLR2]

there are several degrees of civilization, 1-5 each one related to how much energy that the civilization has harnessed.

Type 0 Civilization



Essentially, our civilization. A type 0 civilization has only just begun to tap planetary resources such as solar power, geothermal power and wind power. Most of its power generation is still based on non-renewable fossil fuel resources, for example, oil, coal and natural gases.

Type 1 Civilization



These civilizations can effectively control the entire resources of their planet; they can predict weather patterns and earthquakes very accurately, and even control them using artificially induced greenhouse effects or space-based lasers. A Type 1 Civilization could conceivably halt an ice-age.

Type 2 Civilization



Type 2 Civilizations have extended their power to their entire Solar System by harnessing the power of their suns through Dyson spheres. Having colonised or at least extensively explored all the planets within their Solar System, they are a largely space-faring race and have already mounted expeditions to other stars using interstellar craft.

Type 3 Civilization



At the cusp of their power, type 3 civilizations span entire galaxies having colonised all the stars by wave after wave of interstellar craft. They can harness the power of galaxies. Astrophysicists theorize that this may be done by exploiting the fact that black holes can be used as a source of energy as they slowly evaporate via Hawking radiation. By utilising the millions of black holes that are believed to reside within galactic nuclei, type 3 civilizations would have sufficient power to conduct truly universe-changing high-energy physics experiments and examine matter down to the Planck length.

At this point, the exact potential of type 3 civilizations becomes unclear due to our hazy knowledge of ultrahigh-energy physics. It is conceivable (as physicists such as Michio Kaku and Lawrence Krauss believe) that such energies could unravel matter down to the superstring length and thus possibly access other dimensions. However, we must stress that this is only informed conjecture and frankly we'll never know what type 3 civilizations will be able to do until we either become one or encounter one.

[204Denali]

Some interesting thoughts, I think of stuff like that all the time but never think to post it. It really makes you wonder what is really out there, It is so hard to comprehend the size of something such as a universe or a gallaxy for that matter. Then to top it all off there are gallaxy's upon gallaxy's. You would really think will all the other planets that there has to be something out there, they either looking at us laughing or have no idea we are here. Hmm this will give me something to think about when I go to bed which is now...

Good post, I am interested to hear others thoughts

[silver-mod-o]

I have a headache....

[PNYKLR2]

The mathmatical probability of another planet even remotely like ours is near impossible it's like 1987.6 to like the 137 billionth power. I highly doubt there is inteligent life anywhere.

[NoChrome]

Not to be a smart ass but how do you see bibically that theres no other life out there?

But as far as flying goes and space exploration goes, check this site out, light that powers space ships, well not yet, but hell it still flys.

http://www.lightcrafttechnologies.com/news.html

[The DanSmith]

that some freaky star wars shizznit right there.....
need some of this:beer: after reading that.

[Lady Redhawk]

Biblically speaking, there ARE other life forms out there. Many, many scriptures elude to that, including where Jesus said "I have other sheep that are not of this flock" lol Interesting subject. I voted yes.

[lopiedd]

I have a headache....
I HAD a headache...but the mere thought of other planets with Furion survivors gave me hope---I want to LIVE!!!
:)
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[PNYKLR2]

The Bible does not say if there is life on other planets. It simply says that God created the heavens and earth and put man on it. But this silence on the subject does not require that earth is the only place with life on it. But then again, this doesn't mean there is life out there, either.
Let me propose some reasons why I believe there is no life on other planets. Now, I should tell you that these reasons are simply exercises in biblical theology.
The Bible says there is one Trinitarian God. Jesus was God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8), second person of the Trinity, and died for our sins (Romans 5; 1 Pet. 2:24). If, there were other beings on other planets that have sinned, then they would need a redeemer. God would have to die for them as well.(1)
Only God can forgive sins. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9), is forever a man (1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 7:17, 21) and died for the sins of people here on earth (Rom. 5:8). Therefore, I conclude that the only members left in the Trinity to die for the sins of another race would be the Father and the Holy Spirit. But this doesn't seem credible since the focus of the Trinitarian effort in this world has been for the Father to elect a people (Luke 18:7; Rom. 8:33), the Son to redeem them (John 6:39; 17:9,24; Rom. 5:8; 1 Pet. 2:24), and the Holy Spirit to fill, guide, and indwell them (Acts 4:29-31; John 16:13; Rom. 8:9-14). The focus of their effort has been this world and the redemption of mankind, not anywhere else.
Second, if there were life on other planets, would it be possible that they never sinned and don't need a redeemer? I think this question can be answered by the Bible where it says that creation is groaning, waiting for its redemption at the return of Christ (Rom. 8:22). That would mean that all of creation was affected by the fall. When Adam sinned, the ground was cursed and death entered the world. If that is so, then any other beings out there that were made in God's image, would have fallen too since they would be part of creation.(2) I don't see how they could escape the effect of the fall. They would be sinners too and need a redeemer. Then they would fall under the first objection above.
Third, there are only two options available to explain our existence. Creation and evolution. I have studied the theory of evolution and do not believe it is a viable option to explain how we got here. I do not accept evolution for two reasons: The Bible says God created life on earth; that means it did not evolve. Second, the problems of spontaneous life formation are so immense that it is impossible. Also, missing links abound. The fossil record is spotty at best. DNA mutation theory is insufficient to account for life form development. And more....

[PNYKLR2]

The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep . . . and THE SHEEP LISTEN TO HIS VOICE. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because THEY KNOW HIS VOICE. But they will never follow a stranger, in fact, they will run away from him because THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE A STRANGERS VOICE. I have other sheep that are not of this flock I must bring them also. THEY TOO WILL LISTEN TO MY VOICE, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd." (John 10:1)

what he is stating by "other sheep" is of different donimations throughout the world and where he has placed them. He is not reffering to other life forms.

[PNYKLR2]

one last thing and then I will drop the bible stuff as to why we are the only other forms of life in my opinion.

~~~Stated Uniqueness of intelligent life on earth:

a) "The highest heavens belong to the LORD, but the earth he has given to man." [Psalm 115:16]
b) "[God] created the heavens...he fashioned and made the earth, He founded it [the earth] He did not create it [the earth] to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited" [Isaiah 45:18]
c) Eve is the mother of all the living [Genesis 3:20]


Sorry, I teach a College Class for my local church. I have lots of resources and information.

Please do not take offense to my posts. These are personal beliefs and if you choose not to listen then don't. I am not forcing anyone to take on what I believe. Thats why we live in the good ole USA. Freedom.

[Lady Redhawk]

Isa:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa:14:13: For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Other life forms, fallen angles. Lucifer is son of who? And how were there giants in the land?

I also teach the Bible and I am sure you realize I could add a lot more to this We can have a friendly discussion in PMs if you like to continue. But, the important thing is our relationship with God and loving one another. These other things we can have different "opinions" on them, but what is...is. And one day we will all know the truth and it won't matter what we "thought" it was.

[NoChrome]

If no one else minds Id like to see this discussion continue, Id kind of like to learn more here.

[Lady Redhawk]

If no one else minds Id like to see this discussion continue, Id kind of like to learn more here.

OK, one other little tidbit. Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

The word ALL was added, the Hebrew original word is "chay", meaning "life and or "relatives", but didn't say all life. We know she wasn't the mother of the animals. She was the first in her line.

[Lady Redhawk]

http://www.zephnet.com/ is a great site if you are looking for some answers. Click on the "lambcafe" for the forum, you can also listen to some of Zeth's radio broadcast. But be ready to throw away a lot of "preconceived" ideas and study the word yourself.

Be like those in Berea,
Ac:17:11: These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

[WhiteKnightZ28]

I just worship the all-mighty bowtie...

[BadMofo]

If God wanted me to fly he would have given me wings. Pass the joint Bogart.

[PNYKLR2]

The scripture reference to Eve being the mother of all living was related to intelligent life, Sorry I forgot to put that before my post.

The Bible was written for men (humans) and not for other "forms" of life. For the Bible says if men will not cry out the rocks will, if there was another form of life to the level of mankind don't you think he would mention them and not the rocks. We are to praise him and to practice his teachings. Don't you think if other creatures effected by God's teachings exsisted these things would be mentioned in the Bible blatently and not in hidden or secret terms. God is a jealous God and constantly reminds us of that fact and that he is the one and only true God. We are to come to him and nothing else. God only keeps one secret from mankind and that is the completeness of heaven and its wonder. He does not want to spoil all the joys of heaven before we get there. Hell, demons, etc...are brought up more in the scripture than that of heaven and the angels due to that fact he doesn't want to hold secrets or false truths from us, so that we can recognize the false teachings and the fall of man. The more knowlegde that men come upon the more we will distort the words of God from their literal meaning. We are his pride and joy his most wonderful creation, nothing else.


"Isa:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa:14:13: For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Other life forms, fallen angles. Lucifer is son of who? And how were there giants in the land? " quote from ladyredhawk

The scripture you have listed is what Lucifer (the devil, satan, the roaring lion, etc...) is saying he will be. He is saying he will be greater then God etc...This is why he fell. His pride was sinful and he brought forth his banishment from even and in doing so many angels followed(fallen angels, demons, devils, ghosts, whatever...)

The son of the morning is the fact that lucifer is a child of God. He was a fellow Angel in fact the most high angel within all of heaven. So when it says Son of the morning. He is stating that Lucifer is a part of God's family. Lucifer is an angel. Angels are beautiful and amazing. This is why it is easy to be tricked and led into false teachings. Lucifer is able to make things appear greater then what the bible says. Its like the saying "if its to good to be true it probably isn't" This is why mankind fell. Look how he tricked adam and eve into eating the forbidden fruit. This was the first successful false truth from satan.


Finally Giants in the land,

All of us have seen some giant-like human beings, especially among pro basketball players, but these giants are not connected with the giants of scripture. In the Bible we find several words describing the true giants. In Genesis 6:4, where the subject is first introduced, they are called "nephilim." This word seems to have the meaning of "fallen ones." The word would certainly describe their origin. In Deuteronomy 2:11, and in many following passages, they are called "rephaim." This Hebrew word seems to have a meaning of "fearful ones" or "ones who bring discouragement." The "im" ending on all these words is simply the Hebrew plural form.

Other names have been given to these creatures. They are called "anakim" in Deuteronomy 1:28 and in other passages. This word means "giants," or "long-necked ones." It was before the anakim that the Israelite spies reckoned themselves only as grasshoppers (Num. 13:28). In Deuteronomy 2:10-23, we have several other names that people applied to the giants. They were called Emim (terrible ones), Horim, Zamzummim and Avim. In another place they are called Zuzim (prominent or strong ones). We learn from the various scriptures that they were many and strong. They were also large, tall, and powerful. How did such a race of awesome beings get its start in the world?

Back in Genesis 6:1-7, we get a brief summary of the origin of giants. They are the offspring of fallen "sons of God" (v.2). We are told that these angelic heavenly beings became attracted to the daughters of men, and took wives of all whom they chose (v.2). The result was a race of giants born into the world (v.4). Another result was the anger of God poured out in such a way as to limit the life span of humanity (v.3). We are told that these giants appeared at this time, and also at some time afterward (v.4). We can suppose by this that even though the original race of giants was probably destroyed in the flood, there was at least one more spiritual invasion of this type at a later date. This seems evident because we meet up with giants many times in later Bible history.

It is interesting that God seems to express more anger and outrage over the condition of fallen man than of fallen heavenly beings (Gen. 6:3, 5-7). We may wonder if the sinful condition of mankind at this time actually prompted this spiritual invasion. No doubt the people were dabbling in sorcery, witchcraft, and in other occult practices just as they are doing again today. The Bible account immediately preceding the flood indicates that the mind of man was on evil continually (Gen. 6:5). All this kind of activity would make such a spiritual invasion possible. To be sure, God did not neglect to judge these fallen heavenly beings. Their judgment was swift, sure, and permanent, as we see in Jude 1:6 and in 2 Peter 2:4.








So here is my main thing. All these verse's individually can indicate whatever you wish to make them. They must not be looked at this way! You can't read a book by reading every 220th sentence and expect to know its true content or meaning or even who all the characters are. You have to put them into complete context. Everyone can find a verse to support whatever they want. For example.... "An eye for an eye" does that mean if I kill 100 people then they deserve to kill me and 99 other people. No, because later on in scripture there is the reference to the Ten Commandments. Which state thou shalt not Kill. Read as a whole not in chunks or piece's and you will find the correct answer.

I guess one more thing also. The whole belief that all that matters is "As long as you believe in God thats all that matters" thats junk in my mind. You cannot live your life as a Christian and not have any doctrines or belief. Thats like having a house with no foundation. It will crumble and it will fall. Without a set belief in a specific doctrine people can be easily swayed and fall away from the life of Christ.

[Lady Redhawk]

You are proving my point about other life forms. Even after the floods there were these mighty men, giants in the land like Goliath. BTW, where Goliath's head was buried was on Golgatha, "place of the Skull", where Jesus Christ was crucified.

We know that these life forms are not bounded to Earth, Satan went to the 3rd Heaven when he talked to God about Job. Eph. 6 still talks about these principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. We know that they can reproduce all your scriptures prove that. I take the word of God literally, it says what it means. There is a theme from cover to cover, it is all there, we just don't want to accept it sometimes. Like, when many of his followers left Jesus, they said his words were too hard for them.

Also, have you read the book that Jude quoted from? The book of Enoch? How about what Jesus quoted from. "Religion" has a good reason to get rid of these books, but they are quoted in the New Testament.

[Lady Redhawk]

One more quick thought. Where do you think the Anti-Christ will come from? The same place the other "nephaims" came from.

[WhiteKnightZ28]

One more quick thought. Where do you think the Anti-Christ will come from? The same place the other "nephaims" came from.

Dunno, but when he shows up I bet that he'll be driving a Honda...

[PNYKLR2]

Enoch has nothing to do with the bible and is considered to be possibly fake documentation. Yes I know that parts of it were found with dead sea scrolls and the Enoch is in the bible in Genesis. But there is no connection with this "missing" book with any written forms of the bible. It also applies to the list of books that contradict teachings fom the bible. Why would God inspire a man to write a book that is contradicting to his original statements? Wouldn't that make God a sinner? I find it hard to believe that any of Enoch is true.

This is a link of all books believed to be fake documents and contradicting the bible. http://www.biblefacts.org/church/fake/fake.html

Here is a list of established cults that go against the bible's original teachings.

Cults-


Adventism
Assemblies of Yahweh
Aum Shinrikyo
Shoko Asahara
Bahahism
Branch Davidians
Brethren (Jim Roberts)
Chen Tao (the Right Way)
Christadelphians
Christian Science
Christian Identity
Church of Christ, Temple Lot
Church of God in Christ (Mennonite)*
Church of God General Conference
Church of Religious Science
Church Universal and Triumphant
Churches of Christ, Intl.
Boston Church of Christ
Concerned Christians
Monte Miller
Deepak Chopra
Divine Science
Eckankar*
Father Divine
Family
Children of God
Heaven's Gate
Holyland Reach Inc
Luke Edwards
House of Yahweh
Bill Hawkins
Iglesia ni Cristo
ISKCON 'Hare Krishna's'
Jehovah's Witnesses
JW's Errors
JW's History
Historical Misrepresentations
The Blood Issue
Bodily Resurrection of Jesus
John 1:1
Ku Klux Klan
Liberal Catholic Church
Lucis Trust
Alice Bailey
Moonies
Unification Church
Mormons (LDS, RLDS, FLDS)
Community of Christ
Errors of Mormonism
Temple in Nauvoo Illinois.
Temple practices
One God
Nation of Islam
Black Muslims
New Age movement
New Thought
Order of the Solar Temple (OTS)
Philadelphia Church of God
Gerald flurry
Raelian Church
Rasafarianism
Rosicrucian Fellowship
Scientology
Self Realization Fellowship
Seventh Day Adventism
Share International
Benjamin Creme
Shepherd's Chapel
Spiritism
Spiritualism
Schwenkfelder Church
Swedenborgianism
Church of the New Jerusalem
Theosophical society
Helena Blavatsky
Transcendental Meditation
Puja
True and Living Church
Jim Harmston LDS offshoot
United Pentecostal Church
Unity School of Christianity
Unitarianism
Urantia
Way International
Worldwide Church of God
Armstrongism
Masters Table

I'm not saying that I don't believe there is more then one correct religious doctrine. I believe there are many bible believing and following churchs. But 95% of the list above I think is correctly listed.

[A-Launch]

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An alien tried to prove his existence to me by using the Bible...I ate his antennas with Bar-B-Q Fritos and a 2 liter bottle of Jim Beam...slurp-slurp-slurp-slurp-slurp

[Lady Redhawk]

You remind me of where I was a few years ago. Someone told me, "church is a good place to get saved, but they won't let you grow up" I didn't understand what that meant then, but I since learned.

I understand traditional Christian Church and teachings. I speak from the inside, not outside. I am a preacher's daughter and a preacher's wife. I have family members that have been Deans at South Eastern Bible College, assistant pastor at a 10,000+ member church, choir directors at mega churches, I have logged more hours in AG Church, schools, youth camps, bible studies, choir practise than most people have been born on this site. But as Paul said, "I count it all dung" it means nothing.
(Ph'p:3:7: But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Ph'p:3:8: Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,)

I know how people put their faith in the churches "doctrine" and not in God's word.

Show me what part of the Bible Jude is quoting here, or how did he get this info?
Jude:1:9: Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

It is a quote from "The Assumption of Moses"

or this:

Jude:1:14: And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude:1:15: To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

If you had read Enoch yourself, you would have seen the direct quote in this book.

And in NO WAY do these two books contradict the Bible. They confirm it. In fact the early church accepted these books including the Lord's half brother Jude and also Peter. Jude's book was almost excluded by the same people centuries later that throw out Enoch and The Assumption of Moses. I challenge you to read them for yourself and see what you think.

:attention:

[PNYKLR2]

Any writing can have quotes from another book and still be wrong. Just because quotes are used doesn't make it correct. The doctrine I follow preaches directly from the word. Thats why I follow it because its standards fit with biblical teachings. I believe in a relationship not a religion, the doctrine I follow is just for a set of standards and morals that I can compare what I believe too. So if someone asks me I can say I believe in "this" specific doctrine. So they have an idea of my beliefs. If I say I don't follow any set doctrine I have nothing to base on, It makes it to easy to be lukewarm. God would rather have you be Hot or Cold, never lukewarm.

[The DanSmith]

Dunno, but when he shows up I bet that he'll be driving a Honda...

:rolling:

[lopiedd]

Dunno, but when he shows up I bet that he'll be driving a Honda...
Covered in VTech stickers with a HUGE can and GIGANTIC wing!!!:nerd: