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rmtt
04-18-2009, 08:07 PM
Well, we finished up with the Cartek heads, Fast setup, supporting mods, and tune today. I was pleasantly surprised.

I will wait on Jeff to post the dyno file as I honestly can't remember the exact numbers. But let me just say the car pulls very strong, and I can tell a big difference.
keith_AE2010
04-18-2009, 08:20 PM
Awesome, give us graphs lol
2001z
04-18-2009, 08:24 PM
Im sure it put down some good numbers todd. give us some pics of the new setup along with the numbers.
rmtt
04-18-2009, 08:26 PM
I will. I will let Jeff put up the graph when he gets the chance.

As for pics, I will snap a few of those as well. I have to do some trimming on my FRC's before I can put them back on as they wouldn't clear the Fast intake.
2001z
04-18-2009, 08:27 PM
I will. I will let Jeff put up the graph when he gets the chance.

As for pics, I will snap a few of those as well. I have to do some trimming on my FRC's before I can put them back on as they wouldn't clear the Fast intake.

very cool man i bet it pulls nicely
MrDavid
04-18-2009, 08:33 PM
I bet its an Animal now! Just ditch the FRC's. If you don't have some FAST fuel rails, now is the time to invest in some and paint the coil packs.
rmtt
04-18-2009, 08:38 PM
I bet its an Animal now! Just ditch the FRC's. If you don't have some FAST fuel rails, now is the time to invest in some and paint the coil packs.

Thanks for the idea. That would work/look nice.

Oh..and thanks to your head studs, I got to raise the rev limiter. The setup pulls all the way to it without falling off. I honestly don't know how much more it would carry past, but you guys will see when the graph is up.
BoostedGTA
04-18-2009, 11:21 PM
I was very impressed with Todd's setup, here are the numbers!

http://www.jrracingtuning.com/images/Todd C5 heads cam dyno.jpg
keith_AE2010
04-18-2009, 11:53 PM
Dang, nice numbers.

Does anyone know who can tune the v6 cars? I know plenty of people deal with l(s/t)1, but no sixxers. Right now I just want some codes turned off, but later a cam and supporting mods, lmk guys.
NEMESISVETTE
04-19-2009, 05:53 AM
Holy Hell Todd! Thats a beast! 464rwhp 427TQ :shock: Your Heads,Cam,Manifold are working perfect together. What size F.A.S.T do you have? 92? Was it Ported?
2001z
04-19-2009, 08:12 AM
nice numbers todd!
rmtt
04-19-2009, 08:41 AM
Thanks guys.

What impressed me was that it pulled all the way to the rev limiter which was raised, and each pull showed no sign of it starting to drop off. I just wonder how far it would have carried past 7K although I would not spin it that high.
2001z
04-19-2009, 08:48 AM
Thanks guys.

What impressed me was that it pulled all the way to the rev limiter which was raised, and each pull showed no sign of it starting to drop off. I just wonder how far it would have carried past 7K although I would not spin it that high.

Have to give me a ride in it or let me drive it :thinking: j/k
rmtt
04-19-2009, 08:59 AM
Not a problem. Let me get the 3:90's and new clutch put in first.

That way it makes a better impression as your car is a beast already!!
2001z
04-19-2009, 09:11 AM
Not a problem. Let me get the 3:90's and new clutch put in first.

That way it makes a better impression as your car is a beast already!!

what clutch you going with?
MrDavid
04-19-2009, 11:10 AM
Nasty Todd, just nasty. It is going to be absolute hell with the 3.90 gears. I wouldn't push it past 7K either with stock rod bolts.

I tried telling Gary the other day that 450 was nothing with a FAST combo on top of a H/C LS1. He just refused to believe. A more agressive cam and some milling of the heads to boost compression, and it would be nothing to crank out 475+ on the dyno.

Edit: and maybe an EWP with belts off :D
SlowOhFoh
04-19-2009, 01:44 PM
there are people making 500hp with a Fast on stock bottom end LS1's N/A
rmtt
04-19-2009, 02:10 PM
there are people making 500hp with a Fast on stock bottom end LS1's N/A

This is true. The guy I bought the heads from made 487 I believe.

But you also look at some of those graphs, and they are real peaky. I'm very happy with the tq my car made down low.
rmtt
04-19-2009, 02:12 PM
Nasty Todd, just nasty. It is going to be absolute hell with the 3.90 gears. I wouldn't push it past 7K either with stock rod bolts.

I tried telling Gary the other day that 450 was nothing with a FAST combo on top of a H/C LS1. He just refused to believe. A more agressive cam and some milling of the heads to boost compression, and it would be nothing to crank out 475+ on the dyno.

Edit: and maybe an EWP with belts off :D



I believe it. These heads were milled .030 and my cam is not big by a lot of standards.
MrDavid
04-19-2009, 03:20 PM
there are people making 500hp with a Fast on stock bottom end LS1's N/A

Oh yea. There are several. Gary seems to think they are not streetable cars. I read Patrick G's mod list on his TA that made 508rwhp with a stock bottom end LS1. He just had a LOT of head work. They were AFR's milled to 57cc and ported extensively. And he of course spec'ed out his own cam. His Torque Curve (http://guerragroup.com/PG6-14-07dyno2.jpg) looks pretty nice to me.


Again, congrats Todd. I'm ready to see it in action taking names.
rmtt
04-19-2009, 03:27 PM
Oh yea. There are several. Gary seems to think they are not streetable cars. I read Patrick G's mod list on his TA that made 508rwhp with a stock bottom end LS1. He just had a LOT of head work. They were AFR's milled to 57cc and ported extensively. And he of course spec'ed out his own cam. His Torque Curve (http://guerragroup.com/PG6-14-07dyno2.jpg) looks pretty nice to me.


Again, congrats Todd. I'm ready to see it in action taking names.


Wow!! That curve looks very nice!
BoostedGTA
04-19-2009, 03:54 PM
Oh yea. There are several. Gary seems to think they are not streetable cars.

My GTO is perfectly streetable and I can lug the thing down below 1200 rpm's and it's perfectly smooth! There's many in here that could chime in and vouch for that too! ;)
MrDavid
04-19-2009, 03:57 PM
Patrick G's car was more of a "no expense spared" 347 N/A build though.

My GTO is perfectly streetable and I can lug the thing down below 1200 rpm's and it's perfectly smooth! There's many in here that could chime in and vouch for that too! ;)

You have more than 347 cubes though, you're excluded :)
rmtt
04-19-2009, 04:01 PM
Well I will say that coming through my neighborhood yesterday after leaving the shop was smooth as silk at low speed.
SlowOhFoh
04-19-2009, 04:13 PM
My GTO is perfectly streetable and I can lug the thing down below 1200 rpm's and it's perfectly smooth! There's many in here that could chime in and vouch for that too! ;)

the goat is rediculous... idk why it didnt come from GM exactly like jeffs is currently... thing drives like stock and hauls ass
2001z
04-19-2009, 04:35 PM
Man i need to get a fast intake and some good heads! properly matched h/c/i car making 500 to the rear can be very streetable with a good tuner around.
2001z
04-19-2009, 04:45 PM
My GTO is perfectly streetable and I can lug the thing down below 1200 rpm's and it's perfectly smooth! There's many in here that could chime in and vouch for that too! ;)

Jeff i hate to see you getting rid of the gto why dont you keep it and do the direct port;)
BoostedGTA
04-19-2009, 05:04 PM
Patrick G's car was more of a "no expense spared" 347 N/A build though.



You have more than 347 cubes though, you're excluded :)

Ha, it's just a 364! :D

Well I will say that coming through my neighborhood yesterday after leaving the shop was smooth as silk at low speed.

Todd's car is one of the nicest combinations I have seen for a heads/cam car! We pulled up several other dyno files and overlaid them against his, none of them had the torque come in so early like that.

the goat is rediculous... idk why it didnt come from GM exactly like jeffs is currently... thing drives like stock and hauls ass

That's what I'm sayin, you need to come back and drive it with the 18's and not Pro Stars though. I still love this car and would not be disappointed at all if it didn't sell.

Jeff i hate to see you getting rid of the gto why dont you keep it and do the direct port;)

Ah, that would be nice too! But the good thing is that the Goat will still be in the area and part of the upstate crew... at least it's looking that way right now. :D

Now, back to praising Todd's car!!
rmtt
04-19-2009, 05:17 PM
Jeff,

Do you think it would hinder anything if I were to take of the Borla XR-1 for a Z06 TI exhaust? I know the TI is a pretty free flowing exhaust, and is comparable in weight to what I have now.

Just thinking that it would really surprise a few people with the exhaust note toned down a little.
BoostedGTA
04-19-2009, 05:52 PM
Jeff,

Do you think it would hinder anything if I were to take of the Borla XR-1 for a Z06 TI exhaust? I know the TI is a pretty free flowing exhaust, and is comparable in weight to what I have now.

Just thinking that it would really surprise a few people with the exhaust note toned down a little.

I don't think it would take away anything at all... I say go for it. Charles has done some testing and only picked up 5 hp by disconnecting his stock C5 mufflers and running them open. Z06 exhaust would be even better...
Vols Fan
04-19-2009, 06:23 PM
Nice number man. I was thinking of having my heads ported and polished and doing a Fast 90/90 (used) or a Fast 92/92 if I have to buy new.
rmtt
04-19-2009, 06:28 PM
Nice number man. I was thinking of having my heads ported and polished and doing a Fast 90/90 (used) or a Fast 92/92 if I have to buy new.


Thanks. Sending you a PM.
trophystock
04-19-2009, 06:28 PM
I don't think it would take away anything at all... I say go for it. Charles has done some testing and only picked up 5 hp by disconnecting his stock C5 mufflers and running them open. Z06 exhaust would be even better...


I would kill for some Ti exhaust but simply not in the budget right now.
Vols Fan
04-19-2009, 06:31 PM
I wish my Z06 still had the Ti when I bought it.
rmtt
04-19-2009, 06:36 PM
I would kill for some Ti exhaust but simply not in the budget right now.

I know they sell with low miles for around $300 on some of the forums. I may see if I can trade mine out for even as long as the other person pays the shop charges for swapping them over since mine sell for more.
Vols Fan
04-19-2009, 06:37 PM
Dang Todd me and you think to much alike. I was going to do the same thing.
rmtt
04-19-2009, 06:42 PM
Dang Todd me and you think to much alike. I was going to do the same thing.

:thumbs up: I like mine, but I think I like the "sleeper" sound better.
2001z
04-19-2009, 07:03 PM
:thumbs up: I like mine, but I think I like the "sleeper" sound better.

You could just do the TI exhaust then install some cutouts for the times you want it loud.
NEMESISVETTE
04-19-2009, 07:11 PM
Todd I personally think your FRC is the best sounding one I have ever heard. Im sure it sound even better after the Compression Ratio bump and extra mods you just did. Will the Titanium exhaust really quiet it down much?
trophystock
04-19-2009, 07:14 PM
I run stock mufflers but would love some Tis for the 18# weight savings.
NEMESISVETTE
04-19-2009, 07:17 PM
I run stock mufflers but would love some Tis for the 18# weight savings.

WOW 18 # lighter than stock exhaust? I didnt know the ZO6 exhaust was that much lighter than stock. I know I see alot of guys wanting the Tis on Corvette forum, always wondered why.
trophystock
04-19-2009, 07:18 PM
I am big on weight savings, just on the car though.;)
NEMESISVETTE
04-19-2009, 07:23 PM
I will say im very impressed with the Heads Todd chose and even more with the F.A.S.T intake manifolds, now seeing the massive improvement they did ( not to be fully accomplished without Super Tune capabilitys :p From Charles and Jeff :p) Im looking for a Fast manifold now.. I already have the 90mm TB ready to go.
rmtt
04-19-2009, 07:49 PM
Thanks guys. I'm not too sure how much quiter it would be, but Tim had a great idea about the cutouts.
MrDavid
04-19-2009, 08:59 PM
What is the max timing on your new tune Todd? And has anyone calculated your new DCR?
The EnforceR
04-19-2009, 09:15 PM
wouldnt it be easier to trim 18 pounds off the driver since the budget doesnt allow?
NEMESISVETTE
04-19-2009, 09:17 PM
wouldnt it be easier to trim 18 pounds off the driver since the budget doesnt allow?

lOl
MrDavid
04-19-2009, 09:17 PM
wouldnt it be easier to trim 18 pounds off the driver since the budget doesnt allow?

Now, that is thinking thrifty Kyle.
BluByU383
04-19-2009, 09:52 PM
Todd......great numbers.....what were the specs on the cam?

Be careful if you go with cutouts....mine cause a good bit of heat right under the seat.........and its pretty loud.
NEMESISVETTE
04-19-2009, 09:56 PM
todd......great numbers.....what were the specs on the cam?

Be careful if you go with cutouts....mine cause a good bit of heat right under the seat.........and its pretty loud.

fart?
rmtt
04-19-2009, 10:03 PM
Todd......great numbers.....what were the specs on the cam?

Be careful if you go with cutouts....mine cause a good bit of heat right under the seat.........and its pretty loud.

The cam specs are 230/228 .612/.588 110-1
rmtt
04-19-2009, 10:05 PM
What is the max timing on your new tune Todd? And has anyone calculated your new DCR?

I'm not quite sure what the final #'s were as far as timing.

I need to see if I can find that calculator to see what my DCR is.
MrDavid
04-20-2009, 05:42 AM
I figured Jeff would have pulled some out due to the bump in compression to avoid spark knock.
rmtt
04-20-2009, 06:23 AM
I figured Jeff would have pulled some out due to the bump in compression to avoid spark knock.

Yeah. They said they weren't that aggressive with it because of the bump in compression.
rmtt
04-20-2009, 06:27 AM
As per advertised specs (.050), your SCR is ~ 11.3:1 (actualy a bit less, so I would say 11.2x), and your DCR shows ~8.53 (actualy a bit less like 8.4x)

This is what I found out.
TurboLSX
04-20-2009, 03:48 PM
fart?

dang gary you should race him and see how you do.:rrofl:
BoostedGTA
04-20-2009, 03:52 PM
Todd's got a 6.90 car on his hands with a set of slicks...
KUTTER
04-20-2009, 03:53 PM
Congrats man! Very nice

wouldnt it be easier to trim 18 pounds off the driver since the budget doesnt allow?

LOL +1 tint the windows race buck naked
NEMESISVETTE
04-20-2009, 04:19 PM
dang gary you should race him and see how you do.:rrofl:

Im up for it.
406malibu
04-20-2009, 04:41 PM
:rrofl: and another "my new numbers" thread turns into a gary call out
WhiteIrocZ
04-20-2009, 04:42 PM
Excellent numbers Todd. You're not only making great peak power, you have a ton of area under both curves. Should be one hell of a runner.

I'm game to see the race between Gary and Todd. Two super light cars with plenty of power.
NEMESISVETTE
04-20-2009, 05:08 PM
LOL no lets not ruin Todds Thread. I say Todd takes me by a car or more. No need to race them. Todd wins. Congrats Todd, can I drive it?
406malibu
04-20-2009, 05:17 PM
LOL no lets not ruin Todds Thread. I say Todd takes me by a car or more. No need to race them. Todd wins. Congrats Todd, can I drive it?

LOL, no need to back out. This would actually be a good race, unlike some of the slaughters before. It's a good excuse to wear your mask anyhow.
NEMESISVETTE
04-20-2009, 05:22 PM
LOL, no need to back out. This would actually be a good race, unlike some of the slaughters before. It's a good excuse to wear your mask anyhow.

I do so enjoy my Devil mask :D
406malibu
04-20-2009, 05:31 PM
I do so enjoy my Devil mask :D

can't wait till the day I take down the devil.... It IS gonna happen (just not any time soon) :silly:
BluByU383
04-20-2009, 08:57 PM
fart?


You calling me an ol fart?
NEMESISVETTE
04-20-2009, 09:05 PM
todd......great numbers.....what were the specs on the cam?

Be careful if you go with cutouts....mine cause a good bit of heat right under the seat.........and its pretty loud.

fart?

lol
rmtt
04-20-2009, 09:29 PM
Todd's got a 6.90 car on his hands with a set of slicks...


And a different driver!! :D
rmtt
04-20-2009, 09:36 PM
I do so enjoy my Devil mask :D

That mask would probably scare me enough to miss a shift.

I'm game at some point, but with my tires...it would probably be a slaughter with me loosing. I'm looking to get some tires for my new wheels soon though. It would be interesting to see how they run, and then again after the gears go in.

Gary's car is a beast. There is no denying it. If I lost, it would be an honorable death. :)
NEMESISVETTE
04-20-2009, 09:44 PM
That mask would probably scare me enough to miss a shift.

I'm game at some point, but with my tires...it would probably be a slaughter with me loosing. I'm looking to get some tires for my new wheels soon though. It would be interesting to see how they run, and then again after the gears go in.

Gary's car is a beast. There is no denying it. If I lost, it would be an honorable death. :)

Motor to Motor . Giving your years of experience and the undeniable Power your FRC is making. Also the same weight ect. I say you get me by a car or more easy. That would be a nice death for me. I know you need some tires for sure. Some day when we both are bored and the day is Quiet, our FRC's will do battle LOL
406malibu
04-20-2009, 09:48 PM
http://www.motifake.com/demotivational-poster/0806/epic-battle-pedobear-shoopdawhoop-epicbattle-demotivational-poster-1213825101.jpg
rmtt
04-21-2009, 07:31 AM
Hahahahaha...I just seen that.

I want a ride in Nemesis when we get the chance. I know how my car feels now, and I can't imagine what your car would feel like when you hit the spray.

I will pay for the gas! :)
NEMESISVETTE
04-21-2009, 08:00 AM
Hell I'll let you drive it and hit the juice. Its real fun 612 ft TQ feels real nice. LOL It gets a little hairy up top with the MT Drags.
406malibu
04-21-2009, 10:23 AM
Hell I'll let you drive it and hit the juice. Its real fun 612 ft TQ feels real nice. LOL It gets a little hairy up top with the MT Drags.

where's the line, and height requirement for this ride :wrenchbanana:
rmtt
04-21-2009, 10:46 AM
where's the line, and height requirement for this ride :wrenchbanana:

Oh no...if there's a height requirement, I may not make it! :)
NEMESISVETTE
04-21-2009, 10:50 AM
where's the line, and height requirement for this ride :wrenchbanana:

Oh no...if there's a height requirement, I may not make it! :)

http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/kk433/NEMESISFRC/big_nuts_required.jpg
406malibu
04-21-2009, 12:31 PM
http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/kk433/NEMESISFRC/big_nuts_required.jpg

I thought about getting one similar to that and putting it on the visor back in the day. btw, I'm serious... I want a ride shotgun in that vette. :nutkick:
rmtt
04-21-2009, 12:38 PM
The last line on the sticker should say..

"If at any time the driver states, "Hold my beer and watch this..



That would be great!!
BluByU383
04-21-2009, 10:44 PM
Hey Todd....sounds like you need that sticker now that you have your new mods. Have you gotten it out of shape yet?
rmtt
04-22-2009, 06:51 AM
Hey Todd....sounds like you need that sticker now that you have your new mods. Have you gotten it out of shape yet?

I have played around with it a few times..nothing serious. My tires don't too well. I had traction issues before, but now it's ridiculous.

Plus my exhaust is pretty loud, so I try not to draw attention to myself!
WhiteIrocZ
04-22-2009, 02:41 PM
I wish my heap was as light as an FRC. I did the bolt ons on Butch's car this past weekend and took it down the road. It is much faster than my car making close to the same amount of power.

If I could fit in a vette without looking rediculous trying to squeeze out of it, it would definitely be on my list to buy one day.