Nitrous Solenoid

[NEMESISVETTE]

I got my Nitrous solenoid taken apart at the moment. Im checking the plunger and screen to see if I have a clogg or trash in it.
Last week I took the car back to JRracing for some Nitrous tuning with Charles. We upped the shot to a 150 sure we would see 600rwhp easy, seeing how the 125 shot got me 570rwhp and 612TQ. NOPE! The 150 shot got me 540HP. After doing some trouble shooting we found that my Nitrous bottle was faulty. So we swapped it out for one lying around the shop that had great pressure. Still was only able to get 550's with the 150 jetting, I will say the shot is much safer a shot due to me rewiring the FJO as a 2 stage system with Fuel on Stage 1 and Nitrous on Stage 2, having the fuel come in just a hair sooner than the nitrous stage. It works if your dealing with a inital hit lean spike. Charles did a good job tuning the shot to be fatter and safe.
I think the pick up tube in my bottle has trash clogging it becouse after pulling the bottle out I opened the valve fully open and it was just cold air with spirts of nitrous machine gunning out, while I was doing this Charles and Matt saw something shoot out and the bottle seemed to get better. With that said I think trash may have shot out the bottle and may have found its way to my solenoid. So im trying to find the issue .

[NEMESISVETTE]

Im looking for this thread to be some brain storming from the guys that know Nitrous very well.

[RamAirGod]

your foocked

[KUTTER]

You got a nitrous fuel filter?

[NEMESISVETTE]

You got a nitrous fuel filter?

LMAO @ nitrous fuel filter. I have a fuel filter just like you. There is a Nitrous filter you can put in line, but I dont have one. Nitrous solenoids have screens built in though. I got it apart to check the screen.

[KUTTER]

I know wanker lol...heard about people getting junk from tape,thread dope at valve fitting etc etc. Hense recommend nitrous fuel filter why "lol" thats what its called
http://shopping.msn.com/specs/nos-15570nos-power-shot-n20-nitrous-fuel-filter/itemid548421256/?itemtext=itemname:nos-15570nos-power-shot-n20-nitrous-fuel-filter

also this may help ya idk


For people that want to overhaul or check their solenoids out just follow these steps. If you are not 100% sure you want to do this or can do this, just send your NX solenoids in, you only need to pay the freight and or for a coil if coil burn out has happened.

You will need a solenoid wrench. Pn15733 This tool is a must for any one serious about there nitrous and racing.
You will remove the large nut at the top of you solenoid, and remove the coil. Now you will need to put the solenoid into a vise. Using the same tool there are 2 little holes that corresponds with the wrench, remove the tower.
Care should be taken not to loose any of these components.
After the tower is removed you will see the piston, spring, and o-ring.
If any debris is found on the piston just wipe it off carefully, and then blow the solenoid out with compressed air. Blowing air backwards through your filter will blow any trash out of the inlet. reinstall your o-ring in the base, now install the spring on to the piston, slide the piston back into the tower, and very careful reinstall the tower to base. Now you can reinstall the coil and tighten the nut. (IT should be snug tight not ½ inch braker bar tight) It is EXTREMELY important that you do not have any parts get into a bind when reinstalling. If you damage any one of the listed parts the solenoid will not work properly.

[KUTTER]

getcha one them there nitrous FUEL filters, so you dont have this problem

[comptaclone]

maybe now is a good time for a race to go down in mexico!

[KUTTER]

/\ lol

BJ help ya brainstorm AFTER the race though im sure

[NEMESISVETTE]

Lol

[comptaclone]

?

[TurboLSX]

ok have your ears on, me and david have talked about this for a while. the lines you are running are good to a 175 shot. thats motor rated. your 150 shot is wheel rated for the nos kit you have. really is similar to to 190 shot or so. 20% drive train loss. so your really running a 190 sshot on it. when you run the 125 pillls the nitrous jet is good because is about 160hp worth of nitrous. when the 150 pillls go in it doesnt flow enough fuel. i had this problem and upgraded to steel tubing lines. similar to direct port and it fixed it. also look at your plunger size on the noids. that may only flow a 150 shot. also i would swap out that max air setup and do a single nozzle. that much nitrous could be messing with the air flow through the mass air being so close to it.

you sure you have the fjo setup correctly?

Also fat wont save anything, if the curves are off then boom. just set it up like my old setup.

11.7 a/r to 5250
12.5 a/r 5250 to redline
26* timing at 3k ramping to 30* at 6k
timing 6k-7k ramp back down to 27*.

Set it ....................and forget it.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NEMESISVETTE]

ok have your ears on, me and david have talked about this for a while. the lines you are running are good to a 175 shot. thats motor rated. your 150 shot is wheel rated for the nos kit you have. really is similar to to 190 shot or so. 20% drive train loss. so your really running a 190 sshot on it. when you run the 125 pillls the nitrous jet is good because is about 160hp worth of nitrous. when the 150 pillls go in it doesnt flow enough fuel. i had this problem and upgraded to steel tubing lines. similar to direct port and it fixed it. also look at your plunger size on the noids. that may only flow a 150 shot. also i would swap out that max air setup and do a single nozzle. that much nitrous could be messing with the air flow through the mass air being so close to it.

you sure you have the fjo setup correctly?

Also fat wont save anything, if the curves are off then boom. just set it up like my old setup.

11.7 a/r to 5250
12.5 a/r 5250 to redline
26* timing at 3k ramping to 30* at 6k
timing 6k-7k ramp back down to 27*.

Set it ....................and forget it.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK put your reading glasses on Chris LOL
Few things you think are missinformed LOL
1) My solenoids are rated at a 250 shot
2) My kit is NX not NOS
3) The car showed up super rich all the time
4) I made more power of a 125 shot than the 150 shot
5) I was having a bad bottle clog issue
6) The same lines I have the same lines that handle 200 shots all day..


Just a few facts. I am counting on you and Tim as my nitrous guys for help. You make some good points though. I think im having a issue with trash from my nitrous bottle. Its all really odd. I will try and get my graphs with AirFuel readings from Matt.

[RamAirGod]

just get a new solenoid and be done with it

[NEMESISVETTE]

I dont see anything wrong with my solenoid as of now. I looks to be fine and no trash. Now I need to look at the Maf piece that sprays the fuel and nitrous.

[comptaclone]

all I want is an answer....lol.

also do you not have the fitting with the screen on it that goes into the solenoid

[NEMESISVETTE]

also do you not have the fitting with the screen on it that goes into the solenoid

No its a non screen fitting.

[KUTTER]

thats NOT the awnser he wanted

[comptaclone]

next question....wanna race in canada and we will weigh them afterwards

[rmtt]

Gary getting called out again?!?!

Your a popular guy. :)

[NEMESISVETTE]

let me get my nitrous system working ... LOL :D

[TurboLSX]

those -3 lines are too small, your able to flow the fuel but not the nitrous. me and david put 82s in my car and it got slower than the 73s. my a/f went pig rich. i would just tune it the way i posted above period. then get a stanalone or fuel rails with a reg. then you wont have to worry about fuel issues. it will be the cheapest way to go, one intake backfire and your out 300 bucks. bring the nitrous in at a 50% shot and ramp over 1 second to 150 on stage 1, on stage 2 bring the fuel in at 60-70% 0.02 sooner than than stage 1. if you still have issues it will rule out you tune and fuel. after that if it still is messed get a new nitrous kit and after that if still doesnt work sell it all and go turbo.

[comptaclone]

this was started a while back and never happend.....needs to today!!

[NEMESISVETTE]

those -3 lines are too small, your able to flow the fuel but not the nitrous. me and david put 82s in my car and it got slower than the 73s. my a/f went pig rich. i would just tune it the way i posted above period. then get a stanalone or fuel rails with a reg. then you wont have to worry about fuel issues. it will be the cheapest way to go, one intake backfire and your out 300 bucks. bring the nitrous in at a 50% shot and ramp over 1 second to 150 on stage 1, on stage 2 bring the fuel in at 60-70% 0.02 sooner than than stage 1. if you still have issues it will rule out you tune and fuel. after that if it still is messed get a new nitrous kit and after that if still doesnt work sell it all and go turbo.

GREAT ADVISE .. Im no quitter. I will get my mark. I may for now just go back to what worked. The single stage 125 shot did very well. I will work threw it.

[NEMESISVETTE]

Hold your horses BJ .. You will get your motor vs Nitrous race. Geeze does your motor have a timer on it or something? Your sure in a hurry. Its not like I have raced anyone else since running Kale. You will get your bowl full of Nemesis soon enough. Let me get my $hit worked out for piece of mind.

[TurboLSX]

GREAT ADVISE .. Im no quitter. I will get my mark. I may for now just go back to what worked. The single stage 125 shot did very well. I will work threw it.

what about the "im only going to run a 75 shot":secret:

[NEMESISVETTE]

what about the "im only going to run a 75 shot":secret:

:secret:

[comptaclone]

humm....its an lt1 ita always had a timer..... but I'm planning on changing some things in the next week or so and it should step the game up a few levels....it will be a month or so before I can run if things go good so that's why I was wanting to get this out of the way.. I want to make nemesis my wheaties

[NEMESISVETTE]

Then run Nemesis Spray to Spray?

[NEMESISVETTE]

I will even put small jets in it for you.

[comptaclone]

when?......50 shot isn't that what u said your small jets were or in a month or so you can use the 150 whatever you want

[TurboLSX]

bjs all busniess, he has many ls1 kills under his belt

[NEMESISVETTE]

bjs all busniess, he has many ls1 kills under his belt

Nemesis is no easy kill.

[comptaclone]

so now or later ?

[NEMESISVETTE]

so now or later ?

Well its raining till the middle of next week BJ. Unless you wanna run in the rain?

[NEMESISVETTE]

so now or later ?

How bout NOW? Get in your car and come to Simpsonville and we will do this now.

[axistang]

How bout NOW? Get in your car and come to Simpsonville and we will do this now.

Can I watch? My car will leave a trail of leaking oil so anyone who trys to follow will likely lose control.

[comptaclone]

on the way

[MrDavid]

on the way

That just happened.

[TurboLSX]

i was hoping bj would call that bluff

[NEMESISVETTE]

i was hoping bj would call that bluff

Was'nt and still is'nt a bluff. Bring it here and I will slay that dragon.

[NEMESISVETTE]

WELL?

Im waiting BJ.

You have called me out in Chris fashion...6 threads you bring up this race. Lets get it over with.. 25 roll me on motor you on 150 shot.

[TurboLSX]

gary im proud of you :)

[comptaclone]

since it was really a bluff, how about this since your crying about my 150 shot when you were at the dyno and saw that it only made 125 hp .....Ill take make you a new offer so you have a chance.... you can spray your 125 shot or whatever you tell everyone it is and we will go from a 20 roll.

[NEMESISVETTE]

how about this since your crying about my 150 shot when you were at the dyno and saw that it only made 125 hp .....Ill take make you a new offer so you have a chance.... you can spray your 125 shot or whatever you tell everyone it is and we will go from a 20 roll.

Ironic you say this in MY Thread that I started to discuss my issue with my Nitrous. I have all my Nitrous crap off the car as of now. Thanks for shitting all over my thread were im trying to get imput on what to check. So with that said how bout you run me motor to motor since your so confident you can handle me. What say you? 25 roll.

[NEMESISVETTE]

My bet is you wont run me on motor becouse no one on this site would believe you can take me.

[Nauty99SS]

thread shitter ... lmao

[NEMESISVETTE]

Cat got your tongue?
http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/kk433/NEMESISFRC/cat_got-yer_tongue_web.jpg

[NEMESISVETTE]

Ok since your so confident that your new nitrous set up will take Nemesis down then how bout we throw this Me on Motor-You on 150 shot race in the trash ( were it belongs).

First race
MOTOR TO MOTOR

Second race
Spray To Spray

[406malibu]

gary im proud of you :)

x 2 lol, did bj back out since gary said "NOW" ? :whistle:

[TurboLSX]

bj was bluffing but came back swinging, bjs got them brass balls, gary???when is this race

[comptaclone]

I have never backed out or bluffed ...i didn't ride all the way to simpsonville cause gary said it was raining

[Nauty99SS]

didn't rain til about 7:30

[406malibu]

didn't rain til about 7:30

and tim calls BJ's bluff :whistle:

[NEMESISVETTE]

It was me that said it was raining at my house at 4:45pm and more to come. BJ was told by me that I wasnt comingout to run when its raining or with moisture in the air. Just not smart racing.

[comptaclone]

wasn't my excuse just what gary relayed through David

[NEMESISVETTE]

Rains not a excuse..

[comptaclone]

works for me!....it will happen soon enough

[99 FRC]

Racing in the rain ftw.

[406malibu]

Racing in the rain ftw.

just adds a little more excitement lol :crash:

[TurboLSX]

lol i didnt think you were bluffing, i knew it had to be something else. my bad

excuses used

raining
rear end will break
i need a tune

[406malibu]

haha never seen him use the tune excuse

[NEMESISVETTE]

Excuss me for assessing and addressing issues as I see them, maybe if you had done this your motor would still be between your fenders.. LOL

[KUTTER]

you guys are relentless, he pulled a hamstring GAH..lol jk

But yeah i def feel the better safe than sorry mentality... Busted ish FTL

[2001z]

Big diffrence between a 1xx shot and a car running a 88mm turbo lol.

[NEMESISVETTE]

Big diffrence between a 1xx shot and a car running a 88mm turbo lol.

wrong... its called preventive maintenance

[2001z]

wrong... its called preventive maintenance

How would have nemasis that has never messed a motor up have prevented this LOL

[NEMESISVETTE]

how would have nemasis that has never messed a motor up have prevented this lol

lol

[406malibu]

How would have nemasis that has never messed a motor up have prevented this LOL

by building a new motor while the old one is still good, and has only been in the car for 6 months. :rrofl:

[KUTTER]

If this threads "topic" was a island in the caribbean...we are now stuck in traffic in jersey

[2001z]

For some reason garys threads always end up this way. So gary whats the update on this said noid?

[NEMESISVETTE]

by building a new motor while the old one is still good, and has only been in the car for 6 months. :rrofl:

I couldnt have said it better LOL

[NEMESISVETTE]

for some reason garys threads always end up this way. So gary whats the update on this said noid?

nun yo biznazz

[2001z]

nun yo biznazz

I know all your dark secrets LOL.

[NEMESISVETTE]

I know all your dark secrets LOL.

You keep your mouth zipped our you get the concrete.
http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/kk433/NEMESISFRC/concrete-shoes.jpg

[TurboLSX]

wrong... its called preventive maintenance

lol im j/k with you gary,

i did find what caused my motor to go, it was not the motor at all. it was the t400 trans, one of the fluid passages needs to be restricted. it had built too much pressure and the converter got pushed forward on the trans brake causing the crank to move forward taking out the thrust bearing. it wasnt the lucas stabilizer or oil weight. new motor setup should be here this upcoming friday. with a couple new additons

tightened up stall converter
lingenfelter two step
alky injection

[NEMESISVETTE]

lol im j/k with you gary,

i did find what caused my motor to go, it was not the motor at all. it was the t400 trans, one of the fluid passages needs to be restricted. it had built too much pressure and the converter got pushed forward on the trans brake causing the crank to move forward taking out the thrust bearing. it wasnt the lucas stabilizer or oil weight. new motor setup should be here this upcoming friday. with a couple new additons

tightened up stall converter
lingenfelter two step
alky injection

All in fun Chris, I know. :D

[406malibu]

lol im j/k with you gary,

i did find what caused my motor to go, it was not the motor at all. it was the t400 trans, one of the fluid passages needs to be restricted. it had built too much pressure and the converter got pushed forward on the trans brake causing the crank to move forward taking out the thrust bearing. it wasnt the lucas stabilizer or oil weight. new motor setup should be here this upcoming friday. with a couple new additons

tightened up stall converter
lingenfelter two step
alky injection

sounds like your taking the problem as an opportunity to make it faster. That thing should really roll out when youre able to up the boost with that alky. do you run on pump gas now, or race gas?

[TurboLSX]

ive been running 6 gals 110 to 6 gals 93, didnt really need it but i was planning on creeping up the boost and tune but never got around to it.

[99 FRC]

Chris is your car ever see the street?

[TurboLSX]

yea i just took it off this past year, once the bugs are worked out ill drive it more on the street

[MrDavid]

It needs a built T-56 for when it goes back to the street.

[TurboLSX]

It needs a built T-56 for when it goes back to the street.


3.01 gear for some roll racing, right gary:whistle:

[NEMESISVETTE]

3.01 gear for some roll racing, right gary:whistle:

As if I have a choice. LOL

[MrDavid]

As if I have a chance. LOL

FixT

[NEMESISVETTE]

True enough.

[NEMESISVETTE]

Well back to Topic, im shipping my bottle and Noid out to Nitrous Express to be checked out. I pumped some nitrous into my bottle to test it this morning and its not spraying out correctly. Kinda sprays in spirts, not consistant at all.

[Nauty99SS]

where have you been getting the bottle filled Gary ?

[NEMESISVETTE]

where have you been getting the bottle filled Gary ?

PowerParts in Mauldin

[Diggler]

Well back to Topic, im shipping my bottle and Noid out to Nitrous Express to be checked out. I pumped some nitrous into my bottle to test it this morning and its not spraying out correctly. Kinda sprays in spirts, not consistant at all.

you shouldve just taken the valve out of the bottle and looked for trash in there while it was empty.... also you can disassemble the valve and clean it and the tube out.

[NEMESISVETTE]

you shouldve just taken the valve out of the bottle and looked for trash in there while it was empty.... also you can disassemble the valve and clean it and the tube out.

I have'nt shipped it yet. How would One do this? Just wrench it off? I was told there is a O ring or crush gasket, does it have to be replaced once the valve steam is removed?

[Diggler]

I have'nt shipped it yet. How would One do this? Just wrench it off? I was told there is a O ring or crush gasket, does it have to be replaced once the valve steam is removed?

as far as the whole valve, yea there is a big rubber o-ring under it. i reused mine when i had it apart.
i believe you can get a rebuild kit for the valves as well, but i just replaced mine with a hi-flo unit. (was an old NOS bottle)
anyways, the valve just screws in the top of the bottle. you need to make sure its empty before doing this, however, as it could become a bullet when it comes off of that last thread.

[MrDavid]

Wasn't this a brand new kit when purchased?

[NEMESISVETTE]

Yes it was a brand new Kit. I guess something happened that caused the bottle harm. Maybe when I last took it to PowerParts and had him top the bottle off last.

[MrDavid]

Then I can't understand how trash would be in it after only 1-3 fillings unless they place you had it filled, had garbage in their tank that transfered.

[Diggler]

Then I can't understand how trash would be in it after only 1-3 fillings unless they place you had it filled, had garbage in their tank that transfered.

lol... ur catching on!

[bags50lx]

Then I can't understand how trash would be in it after only 1-3 fillings unless they place you had it filled, had garbage in their tank that transfered.

Thats why I keep our filters nice and clean.

[comptaclone]

big matt cleaning filters for customers ftw!

[NEMESISVETTE]

Im sold. I will bring my tanks to stocky Matt FNO.:thumbs up:

[MrDavid]

lol... ur catching on!

I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night

[comptaclone]

any updates?