The numbers are in! Heads/cam Goat...

[BoostedGTA]

Finally got to dyno and tune my GTO today since I added a set of AI heads. Results were way better than I expected.

http://www.v8muscle.net/images/Jeff%20GTO%20AI%20heads.jpg

For those that don't know, the car is a 2005 GTO A4. Mods are:

Flowtech 232/236 cam
Kook's 1 7/8 headers, no cats, Magnaflow catback
Advanced Induction ported stock 243 heads (still with stock valves)
FAST 90mm intake
Yank SS3600 converter
ASP underdrive pulley
ported stock TB
3.91 gears

Can't wait to get a chance to run it at the track!

[Herron Performance]

I like this graph best:

http://www.v8muscle.net/images/Jeff%20GTO%20AI%20heads%20vs%20cam%20only.jpg

the 435# was prior to the CNC Heads.

Yes, I can get you the same heads :cool:

Let's note this is a DD too.

[2001z]

How much are those heads and what are the specs on them. GREAT numbers man

[Herron Performance]

http://www.advancedinduction.com/AiProductsGMLS2.html

[BoostedGTA]

How much are those heads and what are the specs on them. GREAT numbers man

Thanks!! And the link Shon gave should give you the info on the heads!

[MrDavid]

Very nice numbers and even more nice that they are through a 3.91 geared A4. This should result in some sick track times. Not too bad on mid range power either.

[BoostedGTA]

Very nice numbers and even more nice that they are through a 3.91 geared A4. This should result in some sick track times. Not too bad on mid range power either.

Thanks, hooking up will be a problem as it was already before the heads. I use 26x10-15 ET Drag slicks and still can't hook at Greer on a Thurs. Time for some adjustable front struts for a start...

[Diggler]

got me wanting to do a head swap on my camaro!

[The EnforceR]

wow jeff those are impressive. high 6s on motah?

[TurboLSX]

75rwhp with a head swap that flow 300cfm seem fishy. was that a single run or the best of a couple pulls? where was this dyno? not to bash, but if that was a m6 you would of picked up 50rwhp more.

[BoostedGTA]

75rwhp with a head swap seem fishy. was that a single run or the best of a couple pulls? where was this dyno?

Your math is just a little off... :whisper:

LOL, I think I made 21 pulls yesterday as I was doing the tuning on the car. This was at Rock's shop (JR Racing) and fwiw cars have run pretty much within 1-2 hp of what they ran at Napalm etc.

The 503 rwhp pull was one I did just for kicks with the belts off the car, so the graph that Shon put up was not actually a perfect comparison because I had belts on for that cam only pull and it was in MAF mode back then. But at any rate, I know some will argue against making a pull like that, but why not if you've got the dyno time?? :D It sure does make me consider getting an electric water pump so I can make some passes like that at the track now that I know how much it's worth!

I also switched to speed density tuning yesterday--not on purpose but because I ran into a problem with my MAF sensor. I think I'll run the speed density tune for a while--at least until I get my dry nitrous kit. But no need for the kit now because I've got to do some suspension changes in order to get this thing hooked up. Already had trouble hooking in the previous cam-only setup with 26x10-15 ET drags.

This graph below shows that pulling the belt was worth 16 hp & 10 ft-lbs tq(top line), middle line was with the belt in place, and the bottom line was the cam only pull from Napalm:
http://www.v8muscle.net/images/GTO%20AI%20heads%20vs%20cam%20only%202.jpg

[BoostedGTA]

wow jeff those are impressive. high 6s on motah?

Thanks Kyle! I think it's going to take a while before I see the full potential of this setup, but I'll get there. As stated I have to address the suspension, would like to shed some weight, and I also don't know that this tranny will take shifts over 6500 for very long. I shift at 6500 as it sits, but sort of afraid to take it any higher even though you can see I ran it up there to near 7k on the dyno. :eek: It is a 4L65E, but time to start looking at some built 65E's from performabuilt...

[crumbie]

so heads with a new speed density tune made 60 more horsies?

[NEMESISVETTE]

Jeff those Numbers are more than impressive. I have been around alot of LS based motors,dynos and this numbers still have me scratchin my head :think:

It is possible though .... so I say congrats :thumbs up:

[Herron Performance]

I LOVE IT!
Who else wants to try a set of heads??

[2001z]

I would if i had the money LOL.

[TurboLSX]

well you did clear up that you had the belts off. should of probably posted that. but still i dont get those heads. they flow 300cfm which is not that crazy flow. still nice numbers.

[WhiteIrocZ]

Man that's good power. Should be a handful on the track.

[Herron Performance]

well you did clear up that you had the belts off. should of probably posted that. but still i dont get those heads. they flow 300cfm which is not that crazy flow. still nice numbers.
Chris, you know there is more to a head than peak flow numbers, I know you know that. And that is one of AI's focus, making the flow numbers where it counts and if you look it works and the cars are more fun on the street like that and will be very competitive on the track/street if not win everytime.

ALSO: You know how important tuning is. I would get updates thru out the day as tuning was being done and each return phone call the numbers were getting bigger and bigger.

And the belt off thing, we can do that all the time at the track, worth a tenth at least and having an EWP on the LS1 makes it even easier, and on the LT1 doesnt matter.

But 480-500 is still impressive and with a 23x/23x cam that is under .600 lift on a 113 thru an A4/SS3600/3.91 gear is dang good. And driving it every day!

[The EnforceR]

the dyno dont lie!!!

[crumbie]

well you did clear up that you had the belts off. should of probably posted that. but still i dont get those heads. they flow 300cfm which is not that crazy flow. still nice numbers.

line up with the goat at greer and then you'll prolly get it.

[justins99ss]

man yall are getting to much power to hook at greer take it to shady side.lol

[TurboLSX]

line up with the goat at greer and then you'll prolly get it.

thanks, i needed a good laugh today.

it doesnt add up to me still, chris Ts 402 with dart heads huge cam and more cubes make 500-540rwhp thru an m6, he can chime in and let you know his numbers. the goat made 500rwhp thru an auto w/ stall. the stall steals about 30-40rwhp safely id say. so with an m6 youd make roughyl 530rwhp with a smaller cam, less cubes, stock cncd heads. thats what i dont get. either way, do did it, nice car, great numbers. im not bashing by any means.

[Herron Performance]

thanks, i needed a good laugh today.

it doesnt add up to me still, chris Ts 402 with dart heads huge cam and more cubes make 500-540rwhp thru an m6, he can chime in and let you know his numbers. the goat made 500rwhp thru an auto w/ stall. the stall steals about 30-40rwhp safely id say. so with an m6 youd make roughyl 530rwhp with a smaller cam, less cubes, stock cncd heads. thats what i dont get. either way, do did it, nice car, great numbers. im not bashing by any means.

It's not always about getting the parts at the bottom of the page.

Herron Performance is always maximizing the customers set ups we have proved it on more than one occasion!
Yellow GTO pulled 400 to the wheels Sat as well with the LS1 CNC'd heads with some ignition issues.
Come on over, we can get you increadible results too!

[TurboLSX]

save the sales pitch,my cars is built not bought. also the car was built my bruce hawkins. bruce builds is the real deal and is building some big power cars in the area.

the yellow gto is a 5.7 right? he had the same service done to his heads? what cam is in the yellow one?

[Herron Performance]

save the sales pitch,my cars is built not bought. also the car was built my bruce hawkins. bruce builds is the real deal and is building some big power cars in the area.

the yellow gto is a 5.7 right? he had the same service done to his heads? what cam is in the yellow one?

There are many other people reading these threads that might be in the market, its all good.

5.7 with STOCK CAM.

And all the cars HP has messed with have started out as stock cars and we go from there with bolt ons and then move to H/Cs, just like everyone else. Not sure where you think the cars were bought like this, the wrenches are being turned by owners and who ever they can recruit to get it done.
Jeff paid for the cam install due to many factors but it was nothing he could not do himself.

[crumbie]

save the sales pitch,my cars is built not bought. also the car was built my bruce hawkins. bruce builds is the real deal and is building some big power cars in the area.

if your builder is the real deal and builds some big power cars then what's so surprising about jeffray's goat?

[silver455]

if your builder is the real deal and builds some big power cars then what's so surprising about jeffray's goat?


Apparently AI heads > turdblow

[BlueMongoose]

those are some good numbers:thumbs up:

[NEMESISVETTE]

Apparently AI heads > turdblow

FOOLISH STATEMENT
Dont kid your self, Chris's Turbo SS is not a turd at all

[Diggler]

goat vs. turbo car at greer this week?

[TurboLSX]

possibly, i put a turbo 400 in it this past weekend and new garden hose fuel system. if my prostars are here before thursday then yea we can run. if not than possibly the following, im not knocking jeffs car. just saying the original hp seemed fishy, now i know the belts were off it makes more sense.

also crumbie i dont have a builder, im seeing this one through from start to finish, i was just mentioning that bruce has built some big cars lately and they are showing up.

[Diggler]

what other cars did bruce build? just wondering if i have seen them

[TurboLSX]

his hugger orange turbo car, chris t 402 ss, that tj guys black ss. tjs supposively has a big nitrous setup on it.

[TurboLSX]

Apparently AI heads > turdblow

nice second post buddy

[silver455]

nice second post buddy


anytime you need any more info let me know and i can make post numero 4

[Herron Performance]

goat vs. turbo car at greer this week?Greer not open TH or Sat this week
damit

[Herron Performance]

his hugger orange turbo car, chris t 402 ss, that tj guys black ss. tjs supposively has a big nitrous setup on it.
What's their ET/MPH, do we know?

[crumbie]

What's their ET/MPH, do we know?

plus won

[TurboLSX]

i dont think chris t ever ran a full pass. he ran david before he got his new intake and david was 1 car ahead at the most to about 140. 402 vs david and 150shot. the other ss i didnt even know about until last week. heard it made 480rwhp and 750-800rwhp on spray, thats all i know. i dont how true the numbers are but thats all i got guys.

crumbie do you know what Ulost cobra makes?

[crumbie]

also crumbie i dont have a builder, im seeing this one through from start to finish, i was just mentioning that bruce has built some big cars lately and they are showing up.

save the sales pitch,my cars is built not bought. also the car was built my bruce hawkins.

see this is how sh1t gets misconstrued. LOL :attention:

[crumbie]

crumbie do you know what Ulost cobra makes?

who is ulost?

[TurboLSX]

see this is how sh1t gets misconstrued. LOL :attention:

what are you talking about:taunt:

[crumbie]

what are you talking about:taunt:
about makin' sense. and i ain't talkin pennies either :nerd:

[punisher]

wow those are real good #s. thats great dude

[axistang]

Greer not open TH or Sat this week
damit

why not? guess ill ride to shady side.

[MrDavid]

about makin' sense. and i ain't talkin pennies either :nerd:

What you didn't understand was a typo. Chris makes them all the time. Knowing that he built his setup himself, I knew that he was talking about Bruce H. building the other cars mentioned, and not his own. I can see how that post got easily misconstrued though.

[MrDavid]

anytime you need any more info let me know and i can make post numero 4

Dude, if all you came in here to do was talk shit about another member's car that you know nothing about, then you won't make it far beyond post #4.

[silver455]

Dude, if all you came in here to do was talk shit about another member's car that you know nothing about, then you won't make it far beyond post #4.


i didn't say anything about anyone's car you must be misconstruing my post....i said apparently AI heads are > than a turbo

[axistang]

What kind of MPG did the GTO get stock? Do they have the same rear as F-bodys or did they put something better in? Looks like you could do a head swap with the motor in the car how the firewall is and it not be a PITA, that true? My wife wants something bigger, I would consider trading my truck on one and driving her car daily.

[TurboLSX]

i didn't say anything about anyone's car you must be misconstruing my post....i said apparently AI heads are > than a turbo

your ignorance amazes me. stop acting like a tomato plant

[MrDavid]

i didn't say anything about anyone's car you must be misconstruing my post....i said apparently AI heads are > than a turbo

LOL, don't try to cover it up. You just popped in the middle of a thread with no intro thread. So no one knows who you are and within your first few posts you're making fun of someones engine setup. I didn't misconstrue anything. We both know what your intent was when you typed that.

[silver455]

LOL, don't try to cover it up. You just popped in the middle of a thread with no intro thread. So no one knows who you are and within your first few posts you're making fun of someones engine setup. I didn't misconstrue anything. We both know what your intent was when you typed that.

Sorry i'm Nick and I like pina coladas, getting caught in the rain. I like the smell of the ocean and the taste of champagne.

[crumbie]

LOL, don't try to cover it up. You just popped in the middle of a thread with no intro thread. So no one knows who you are and within your first few posts you're making fun of someones engine setup. I didn't misconstrue anything. We both know what your intent was when you typed that.

this is true. i clicked the thread to read about jeff's cool new dyno numbers and all i read is about how some guy named bruce (that isn't posting in this thread) builds the baddest cars around.

kthxhiv

[MrDavid]

Sorry i'm Nick and I like pina coladas, getting caught in the rain. I like the smell of the ocean and the taste of champagne.

And, your IP is already registered under another s/n which isn't allowed.

this is true. i clicked the thread to read about jeff's cool new dyno numbers and all i read is about how some guy named bruce (that isn't posting in this thread) builds the baddest cars around.

kthxhiv

honestly, your opinion means nothing to me.....:blahblahblah:

[crumbie]

And, your IP is already registered under another s/n which isn't allowed.

i'm guessing it was already registered to mine??

[MrDavid]

PM'ed

[crumbie]

pm read

[crumbie]

pm replied. LOL

[Herron Performance]

Silver/Nick is :emo:
"i don’t understand how this computer stuff with IP addresses and what not works its not my fault"

[crumbie]

don't worry. i got the n00bs straight. teachin n00bs the basic rules.

[NEMESISVETTE]

Basic Rules are easy to follow

[MrDavid]

don't worry. i got the n00bs straight. teachin n00bs the basic rules.

look what else I figured out how to do.... :no teeth:

crumbie = noob

[crumbie]

crumbie > David

[MrDavid]

:LOL: not on this board

SUPERMOD > USER

and not to get toooo far off topic: Again, nice numbers on the Goat. Track times will surely be blazin.

[Nauty99SS]

who is ulost?

Rock's black cobra.. tag .. ulost ..:screwy:

[Diggler]

who is rock?

[Green to da Bean]

Stocky Rocky?

[Nauty99SS]

:wtf: well my cam is 23x/23x just under 600 .. does that mean i can pick up 60+ rwhp with a set of these heads ? then hell yeah !!! on a side note ...sure is alot of shit talking from people about cars that don't even belong to them .. talk shit about your car or shut the hell up ... if you don't have a car find a porn site and whack-off ...just my $.02 :beating:sorry ..not getting any.. bad mood :o

[Nauty99SS]

cool sig Bean

[NEMESISVETTE]

Lol Bean

[Green to da Bean]

:wtf: well my cam is 23x/23x just under 600 .. does that mean i can pick up 60+ rwhp with a set of these heads ? then hell yeah !!! on a side note ...sure is alot of shit talking from people about cars that don't even belong to them .. talk shit about your car or shut the hell up ... if you don't have a car find a porn site and whack-off ...just my $.02 :beating:sorry ..not getting any.. bad mood :o

You might pick up more if you're coming from a stock 241 casting head to a worked a Herron/AI 243 head. And yanking the belt. LOL. Otherwise it'll be around 50 rwhp.

[Diggler]

stocky rocky has a nasty cobra, that thing made like 550rwhp

[Nauty99SS]

time to crack the pig !!

[NEMESISVETTE]

You might pick up more if you're coming from a stock 241 casting head to a worked a Herron/AI 243 head. And yanking the belt. LOL. Otherwise it'll be around 50 rwhp.

Even better he is coming from 99 heads --->853 .. YUKE. should do very well for you Tim

[Nauty99SS]

stocky rocky has a nasty cobra, that thing made like 550rwhp

x2 :rrofl:

[Ryans_Pewter_SS]

That is alot of power from those heads! Bet it feels very good!!!

[Diggler]

it should fly! probably get some mid 6's out of it if you hook it good

[SlowOhFoh]

cool sig Bean

it is a cool sig, too bad i wont take a picture like that for most of the people on here.... well... all the guys at Pete's were nice enough so i'd do shoots for them...

btw, has anyone realized that jeff had the converter locked during the dyno pull? the fact that its a 3600 or whatever rpm stall makes no difference... port velocity WITH volume is what matters... who gives a fuck if it flows 380cfm if the air is flowing at 1/2 of what it would at 300cfm...

and tadpoles car has a shitload of money in it for what it is... its got those same shitty stock dart pro1's that gayry had on his car... yes it made 515hp or whatever it was but didnt that end up costing him seomthing like 7800 bucks?

yeah the car is quick but i have to give bruce credit... hes a helluva salesman to convince a group of people to pay him how much he wants for his services... hats off to him for that.

ULOST has that car thats go like a 2.76 upper and 8lb lower or something isnt it... got some kinda crazy ass cold air intake on it tho. i bet he would give mofobucs a run for his money.

[NEMESISVETTE]

it is a cool sig, too bad i wont take a picture like that for most of the people on here.... well... all the guys at Pete's were nice enough so i'd do shoots for them...


SO WHAT:lame:

[KUTTER]

MY CAMERAS BETTER THAN YOUR CAMERA!!! whats your shutter speed hmmmm? lol yeah agreed ^^^

[MrDavid]

it is a cool sig, too bad i wont take a picture like that for most of the people on here.... well... all the guys at Pete's were nice enough so i'd do shoots for them...


Well, hats off to you. I didn't realize people on here were knocking down your door to get you to photograph their car.

[NEMESISVETTE]

Top this camera Man
http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/kk433/NEMESISFRC/camera.jpg

[WhiteIrocZ]

lmfao

[KUTTER]

LMFAO i think i just pissed myself a lil....
ps new sig looks good David

[MrDavid]

LMAO!! Thanx Kutter.

[SlowOhFoh]

SO WHAT:lame:


you just need to STFU, the guys on here even said they only took up for you because you were on here longer than fastgm... EVERY person i have talked to has agreed that you are a DoucheKEG...

you should care because ive got an inside line on a new american muscle based magazine and happen to know one of the photographers who will be featured in it... there are some nice cars on here but even being a lurking on my own i wouldnt want to help most with that... the turbo car is cool and ive talked to the owner before back when it was a nitrous only and i can see that the little cockyness that he had then has grown with his idea of as how bad ass his car is... its that way with everyone on here...

for the most part this place is EXACTLY like Upstate Mustang Club... if you arent part of a core cliqe then you arent telling the truth and youre full of shit and blah blah blah... on the other hand there are car guys who just like the cars... thats cody and kyle and all of them, sorry i dont know everyones names, and they are all cool. If you're cool with me im up for helping people out when i can... if its helping someone find a part or find out about a part or if its shooting their car for free and hooking someone up with shots that look better than most of the shit i see in domestic magazines then so be it... but if you're a douche... then i'll be a douche right back...

and the only place ive seen worse than this is either Upstate Mustang Club or Honda-Tech...

and for what its worth i grew up around an 86 Fiero 2m6, a 78 Firebird with a TH350 and a 2 barrel 350 and then the 83 Recaro T/A that i learened to drive in... so im an old f-body fan... just not a fan of most of the owners it seems... happens to be the same way with the mustang too haha.


oh and i guessed 500hp with a low end guess of 485... Advanced Induction heads are FTW... Jeff's car has proven that and Russ's car has proven that...

[SlowOhFoh]

Well, hats off to you. I didn't realize people on here were knocking down your door to get you to photograph their car.

im the one who took the shot in "beans" sig...

[SlowOhFoh]

Top this camera Man
http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/kk433/NEMESISFRC/camera.jpg

i need that costume....


oh and did i just reach jake status with three consecutive posts?

[NEMESISVETTE]

LOL your Sad. Look cone your getting all emotional calling names and such LOL if you would like to dig up some of your post against me on fastgm you would see your the Fackin Ass Hat. You come in here posting vomit and you will not make friends.

[BoostedGTA]

Thanks all for the compliments! I came back from lunch today and saw this thread had blown up, and must say it provided for some very entertaining reading. :D

Jeff those Numbers are more than impressive. I have been around alot of LS based motors,dynos and this numbers still have me scratchin my head :think:

It is possible though .... so I say congrats :thumbs up:

Thanks Gary!

but still i dont get those heads. they flow 300cfm which is not that crazy flow. still nice numbers.

As Shon already mentioned, it's not always about the peak flow numbers. If you looked at the heads before I put them, you may be surprised at some of the areas that are not even touched. It's because Phil knows what works and what doesn't.

it doesnt add up to me still, chris Ts 402 with dart heads huge cam and more cubes make 500-540rwhp thru an m6, he can chime in and let you know his numbers. the goat made 500rwhp thru an auto w/ stall. the stall steals about 30-40rwhp safely id say. so with an m6 youd make roughyl 530rwhp with a smaller cam, less cubes, stock cncd heads. thats what i dont get. either way, do did it, nice car, great numbers. im not bashing by any means.

It's all about the right combination. Ed Curtis at Flowtech and Phil at AI both know what they are doing when it comes to the LS-series motors.

save the sales pitch,my cars is built not bought.

I did all my work on this last project too, but my parts still had to come from somewhere (thanks HP)! Let me just say that Shon has come through every time I've needed something, and often times it's something I needed in a hurry. You won't get any better service!


Jeff paid for the cam install due to many factors but it was nothing he could not do himself.

True, the only thing I didn't do was the cam. At the time you could not get that cam except to have it installed by Tri-Star in ATL. But now you can just call up Ed at Flowtech and tell him you want the "Tiger Shark" cam. :)

I'm proud to say I've done everything else on the car myself, all the way down to the tuning.

what other cars did bruce build? just wondering if i have seen them
his hugger orange turbo car

Isn't that the car that lost to Crocker's C5 Vette the other week?

What kind of MPG did the GTO get stock? Do they have the same rear as F-bodys or did they put something better in? Looks like you could do a head swap with the motor in the car how the firewall is and it not be a PITA, that true? My wife wants something bigger, I would consider trading my truck on one and driving her car daily.

It got 17 city, driving to/from work, and I think 22-24 on the highway. M6's have the big advantage here. Russ has gotten as much as 31 mpg highway on my tune. :)

[SlowOhFoh]

im not at all emotional about this, im just stating what ive heard lol. you are a douchekeg to those on both forums... im just mildly retarded to most...

ok... maybe more than mildly retarded.

either way, i think you're a douche and the fact that you had to pay someone to put a damn vara ram intake on youre vette and THEN started shit talking to them is freaking awesome.

[MrDavid]

im the one who took the shot in "beans" sig...

Thanks for pointing that out. I couldn't gather that from the following post:

it is a cool sig, too bad i wont take a picture like that for most of the people on here

I personally think you came across as a douche yourself when you came to this board, thus people treated you as such. You make a retarted thread about "Starbucks Shit" that doesn't explain anything. How do you think that makes you look?

[NEMESISVETTE]

LOL wow fag you really got some wrong info. once again you FAIL.
So transform back and get lost looser NO ONE CARES abouy you, your shitstang or your opinions
http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/kk433/NEMESISFRC/trans.jpg

[SlowOhFoh]

i honestly thought that the starbucks thread would be taken as a joke... as it was meant to be... either that or ignored...

i care not either way. all it did was stir up some activity it y'alls board on a dead ass night.

haha, Gayry ftw

[MrDavid]

i honestly thought that the starbucks thread would be taken as a joke... as it was meant to be... either that or ignored...



Jokes are better if people understand what they mean.

[NEMESISVETTE]

call our bored dead? last post on fastgm was at 3:40pm LOL

[MrDavid]

Well, enough bitching for one night.

Jeff, congrats again on the very nice numbers and good luck on upcoming track times. Shon, nice work on getting him hooked up with the goods.


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