Spun Rod Bearing! [Archive]

The EnforceR

07-10-2008, 05:59 PM

yep....the oil pump wasnt the problem, its a spun rod bearing. ill be taking the engine out from the top more than likely within the next week or so. anyone know how much a rebuild kit is for this? i think jay should know this better than anyone.

Camaroslpss

07-10-2008, 06:02 PM

Hey i have any engine hoist if you need to borrow one. Let me know if you need a hand.

NEMESISVETTE

07-10-2008, 06:05 PM

I wouldnt say im right just yet. Is it a knock or tap that is consistent with the RPM or does it come in at different levels of the RPM band? This type of failure hits close to home with me> it was the demise of LS6 last year. Like Mike I would hope its trash in the oil galley or pickup tube thats leaving parts dry; thus causing the tick\knock

The EnforceR

07-10-2008, 06:33 PM

haha nice copy/paste gary! haha but yea i think it is. the motor is comin out either way. my dad heard it and thought the same, kales dad checked it out and said spun rod bearing too.

NEMESISVETTE

07-10-2008, 06:46 PM

God there is a trend on this forum with motors going down!!!!!!!! I have a few specialty tools if you need. Let me know how I can help if needed.

The EnforceR

07-10-2008, 07:00 PM

better believe this engine bay is gonna be badass when its all said and done, tho! still sucks, i dont even have the money to fix what may be wrong yet.

Nauty99SS

07-10-2008, 07:01 PM

i'm turning in my decal !!!! j/k

NEMESISVETTE

07-10-2008, 07:26 PM

LOL Kyle will have that engine bay so cleaned up the motor will look like its floating between the fenders lol :rolling:

Nauty99SS

07-10-2008, 07:29 PM

thats what he said !!( i can paint her real good wit da motor out )

MadMike 97 Z28

07-10-2008, 08:10 PM

better believe this engine bay is gonna be badass when its all said and done, tho! still sucks, i dont even have the money to fix what may be wrong yet.

i know that feeling

MrDavid

07-10-2008, 08:41 PM

No sense in pulling the motor and not doing some engine upgrades too :)

I know I have a set of 241 heads that you can purchase cheap with Beehive Valve Springs already installed! Just port them yourself and you can have some really cheap horsepower. You might just have to put that hood on hold for a while.

The EnforceR

07-10-2008, 08:56 PM

i cant be upgrading stuff like all you cats who work full time jobs. once mid august gets here, i wont be making hardly any money until next may again. cant afford to do any big overhauls really. the only thing i MAY do, and is a BIG if....is upgrade the cam to somethin big like an MS4 and put duals valve springs in it. thatd only set me back about $200....since i could sale the cam/springs i have now for maybe $350 and get a big cam and duals for aroud $500. the bay will def get the attention it needs and get resprayed to get all the spots i missed tho.

blkstang

07-10-2008, 09:09 PM

sorry to hear that kyle, get that engine bay looking even better though man!

01BlackBird

07-10-2008, 10:13 PM

i think i got all the bearings you will need and i cant use them they are nib ill pm you a price shorly

The EnforceR

07-10-2008, 10:31 PM

aight thanks man.....hopefully its only the rod bearings but ill know that in a week or so.

MIKE02TA

07-11-2008, 05:14 AM

2001z

07-11-2008, 05:37 AM

wow that sucks man i hope you guys get it all figured out.

The EnforceR

07-11-2008, 06:10 AM

Why dont you just pull the k-member out and do the rod bearings. Would save a lot of time and effort for now until you really want to put some money in her. That would be what i would do for now since you dont have a ton of money to play with. But also sorry to hear about that.

thast my plan, only change whats needed and upgrade the rod bolts to ARP while im at it.

MrDavid

07-11-2008, 06:37 AM

You don't have to get an MS4. you can buy the 241 heads from me for $200, then just port them yourself and probably make even more power than you would with the huge cam. Your retune shouldn't be very difficult at all and you will still have all the good street manners of your current cam.

hi officer

07-11-2008, 08:31 AM

Why dont you just pull the k-member out and do the rod bearings. Would save a lot of time and effort for now until you really want to put some money in her. That would be what i would do for now since you dont have a ton of money to play with. But also sorry to hear about that.

thats a good idea until you do all the work and its a cam bearing. im speaking from experience haha. even though its probably not a cam bearing, you can never tell what it is exactly by the sound.

comptaclone

07-11-2008, 09:06 AM

Yeah, we thought mine was a spun rod bearing but it ended up being a snaped crank, but hopefully its something easy and you can get that thing back togather fast.

MIKE02TA

07-11-2008, 12:20 PM

thats a good idea until you do all the work and its a cam bearing. im speaking from experience haha. even though its probably not a cam bearing, you can never tell what it is exactly by the sound.

Very true, that would suck if it were a cam bearing and not a rod bearing. But hopefully it is only a rod bearing and that would be an easy fix.

RamAirGod

07-11-2008, 01:02 PM

Sucks to hear that Kyle... I'm scared to drive mine now. The UFB Curse might come my way next :pissed:

The EnforceR

07-11-2008, 04:15 PM

dave if i do anything, ill just get a bigger cam. i dont wanna do all that work of porting them myself really. and i could care less how much power it makes now, anyways. im leanin more towards show stuff now, and if itll hit a mean ass lick, thats god enough for me. yea, power is good, but im gettin outta that ballgame bc it breaks shit too easily.

MrDavid

07-11-2008, 04:39 PM

You aren't getting out of that ballgame. You are just talking. You want a show and go car. Just get a MS3 and a LS6 intake and you'll be good.

The EnforceR

07-11-2008, 08:07 PM

yea if a changed it, itd at least be MS3 size, and i may be doin some trading with butch to get his LS6 intake...

LWillmann

07-12-2008, 08:26 AM

you can drop the 4th gen engine and trans out the bottom in 2 hours with 2 people.

Sorry to hear about the trouble Kyle. Best of luck getting it back together quickly.

The EnforceR

07-12-2008, 08:32 AM

im gonna hafta take it outta the top more than likely....i wanna be able to keep the car on 4 wheels so i can roll it onto a trailor. if i WERE to take it out the bottom....how long would it take to take the motor off the k-member once its out, and put the k-member back under the car? i cant leave it sittin on jackstands in my dad's shop, takes up space that he could be using.

LWillmann

07-12-2008, 09:28 AM

It wouldn't take long at all, just a matter of pulling the motor mount through bolts. To get it off the K-member, you'll have to lean the strut assemblies out (like a wishbone), and lift the engine off.

To get the K-member back in the car, you'll just have to direct the struts back up into the towers, and bolting it back up.

The EnforceR

07-12-2008, 06:06 PM

after talkin with chris g, im just gonna take the car to the shop one night, lift it off the k-memeber....roll that out and pull the motor off, and drop the car back on the k-member and bolt the steering back up. that way i can get it back on a trailor and at the house so i can do some more engine bay work if i can.

ill re-paint the engine bay (3rd time in a year LMAO!) the night before i put the motor in so itll be dried good enough to put the motor back in. anyone have a cherry picker and engine stand i could borrow (within reasonable distance)?

Camaroslpss

07-12-2008, 06:50 PM

I have a cherry picker. Just let me now when you need it, I wont need it till next Saturday or sunday. Hopefully thats when ill be putting my motor back in.

MrDavid

07-12-2008, 06:52 PM

I think everyone that has an engine stand is currently using it! LOL

NEMESISVETTE

07-12-2008, 07:37 PM

I have a few engine stands. and a few other specialty engine tools for the LSX motors. Just shoot me a need.

Nauty99SS

07-12-2008, 11:16 PM

we have got to find something for gary to do , he's always offering and no one is taking him up on it , when are you off this week G i need help with the intake and nitrous install , need it done before thursday night , interested ? :bye:

NEMESISVETTE

07-13-2008, 04:48 AM

You got it Tim:thumbs up: LOL im off monday and tuesday LOL I want to be helpful:wrenchbanana:

MrDavid

07-13-2008, 06:11 AM

Thats about the truth Tim. Ever since Gary finished his build, he just can't wait to get his hands dirty with someone else's car.

LWillmann

07-13-2008, 10:47 AM

You'll have two electrical connectors in the passenger compartment, I think it is one white and one blue. It's the PCM harness that goes through the firewall. You can disconnect those two and pull the wires out of the grommet.

You'll have to disconnect the brake lines for the front wheels, the front ABS connectors where they connect between the body and K-member, and the steering shaft too. And the A/C compressor, but I think you can leave the A/C compressor in the car.

If you use something like a piano cart (furniture dolly) under the K-member, it will support the weight and keep the shocks from leaning in on you. You can probably get one at harbor freight if you have one locally and don't have a cart already.

01BlackBird

07-13-2008, 11:20 AM

just take it out the top its much easier than people make it out to be. I have done 4 so far and aalways come out the top its not bad.

Camaroslpss

07-13-2008, 11:37 AM

Yea it is. This was my first motor pull and i pulled it out the top. It took me a little while when i pulled it out. Now that i know what im doing, it shouldnt take me that long. Let me know if you need the cherry picker and help. I live like to mins from the mall.

The EnforceR

07-13-2008, 12:30 PM

its much easier than people make it out to be, yea.....but the bottom still is easier as long as you have access to a lift (comming from people who have done both and done them alot). i dont wanna risk scratching anything up real bad when i put it back together, and just like the idea of lifting the car off the subframe better than lifting the motor out.

if i can round up a trailor, im gonna drop the motor out this afternoon at the shop and trailor the car back home.

BlueMongoose

07-13-2008, 08:51 PM

did you find a trailer ?

The EnforceR

07-13-2008, 10:04 PM

yea i found a trailor late tongiht. i went ahead and got everything ready to lift the car off the subframe. all i gotta do is unbolt 2 bolts on the steerin column, 4 bolts on the strut tower, and 6 bolts on the kmember.

The EnforceR

07-14-2008, 06:01 AM

and heres some pics of the new grille and progress for ya bad-brad, gotta keep ya updated with progress pics!

not done with this yet, ive got somethin cool planned for the area that use to say "SS" that i think yall should enjoy
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/kyles2000z/z28%2008/003-1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/kyles2000z/z28%2008/006.jpg

NEMESISVETTE

07-14-2008, 06:22 AM

Kyle that new grill looks 100 times better than that screen. Looks mean.

MrDavid

07-14-2008, 11:54 AM

ive got somethin cool planned for the area that use to say "SS" that i think yall should enjoy

I think I know what its gonna say.... :thinking:

hi officer

07-14-2008, 01:33 PM

I think I know what its gonna say.... :thinking:

its going to say FAG

Nauty99SS

07-14-2008, 03:30 PM

:rolling: best laugh i've had all week :LOL:

The EnforceR

07-14-2008, 03:44 PM

bout to head to the shop and drop the motah out. while its out, im gonna try to make my own coil pack relocation kit. if it works out well, i might can put together a lil package for whoever wants it done. while everything is apart, im gonna repaint my valve covers and get them near perfect since the whole thing will be visible now.....what color would yall recommend for the valve covers and STB? i'll have a silver intake manifold, too....so silver is otuta the question for the valve covers.

the options are
-same red, just re-do it
-black
-some type of electric metallic blue, like the 350z color.
-burgundy/garnet color with metallic

im also going to relocate the A/C drier and get it off the fender and out of site if i can, all thats required is extending one of the hoses (the top one between the heater box and the polished drier), anyone know where i could get that done?

Nauty99SS

07-14-2008, 05:03 PM

cline hose and driveline , they can make any kind of hose any length ..

MrDavid

07-14-2008, 05:03 PM

I'd stay with black. You don't want to get too carried away with several colors and end up with a rainbow engine bay.

And, I think the A/C hoses are VERY expensive. At least thats what i've heard. Never priced one for myself.

Nauty99SS

07-14-2008, 05:19 PM

You don't want to get too carried away with several colors and end up with a rainbow engine bay.

Codey just said that to me not 15 min ago ..LOL

hi officer

07-14-2008, 07:47 PM

black valve covers!

The EnforceR

07-14-2008, 08:22 PM

as long as its just 3 colors, it wont look rainbow at all, unless all three are bright. you need one main color (silver), and secondary color (black), and an accent color (idk yet) IMO. anything past 3 colors IMO gets a little too much, but some can pull it off.

Nauty99SS

07-14-2008, 08:33 PM

i'm thinking pastel blue with a hint of majenta...:rolling:

WhiteIrocZ

07-15-2008, 08:28 AM

I think Garnet Metallic would look better than red. Maybe just do them black, but thats too suttle for you.

01BlackBird

07-15-2008, 12:49 PM

Im sure it will look awsome!!!!!! keep us updated with pics when you do it!!!!!!!!!

The EnforceR

07-15-2008, 03:15 PM

I think Garnet Metallic would look better than red. Maybe just do them black, but thats too suttle for you.

haha whats that mean? i would do them garnet metallic in a heartbeat but duplicolor doesnt make that in an engine enamel or high temp color.

The EnforceR

07-15-2008, 05:43 PM

i tore the motor apart about an hour ago.....rod #3 had a spun bearing. it was paper thin, so the crank was chewed up and its gonna hafta be spun down about .020 probably. other than that, everything looks fine.

it looks like what caused this was the oil return tube was CAKED in sludge buildup. i ran seafoam through it last year but i dont guess that was good enough. sucked the pan dry, but im glad i caught it bc much longer the bearing could have beeen gone.

so, gonnna drop the crank off tomorrow to get it turned. order my bearings after is ee how much they take off, and also order my ARP rod bolts. while im waiting on the crank, ill relocate my coil packs, repaint everything, and hide some more stuff....should be about 2 weeks before shes on the street again!

Camaroslpss

07-15-2008, 06:28 PM

Glad to hear that kyle. Atleast some people get off easy lol.

The EnforceR

07-15-2008, 08:07 PM

what exactly cause yours to go?

Camaroslpss

07-15-2008, 08:42 PM

what exactly cause yours to go?

the harmonic balancer tapered the end of my crankshaft. I have pics of it in the 383 build thread i started. Then it just went downhill from there. But it did have 133000, so it was probably overdue.

BRADSBLACK_SS

07-16-2008, 07:06 AM

Glad To Hear Things Are Shaping Up Nice For You Kyle. Hope That Everything Continues To Go Smooth For You.

comptaclone

07-16-2008, 09:28 AM

Post Pictures!!!!!!!!!!

WhiteIrocZ

07-16-2008, 02:43 PM

haha whats that mean? i would do them garnet metallic in a heartbeat but duplicolor doesnt make that in an engine enamel or high temp color.
The car is loud and flashy, so I figured that black would be too suttle for you, but I do think it would look good.

BTW, the seafoam could have been the culprit in causing the spun rod bearing. Seafoaming the crankcase thins the sludge in a motor enough to bring it all to the oil pan, but not thin enough to pass through the oil pump pickup screen or to drain out of the oil pan. The only time you should flush a motor is when you plan to shortly after pull the oil pan to remove the sludge.

The EnforceR

07-16-2008, 03:46 PM

yea youre right, never thought about that. the man at the crank shop today saw how much the crank was scared and is reocmmending we pull the rod out too and get it looked at. so the heads may be coming off! we'll see

WhiteIrocZ

07-16-2008, 04:45 PM

Ported 241's FTW!!!!

01BlackBird

07-16-2008, 07:07 PM

lol and I just sold a set of perfect 40k mile ls1 pistons and rods

MrDavid

07-16-2008, 07:59 PM

Ported 241's FTW!!!!

I think I know where there is a set laying around....:thinking:

The EnforceR

07-16-2008, 09:58 PM

this is just a bad luck week for me. i just cracked my freakin windshield trying to take my wiper cowl off to hang my coil packs. i dont have full covereage on the z so thats gotta come outta pocket that is already shallow enough! oh well......heres some pics of what ive got.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/kyles2000z/z28%2008/001-1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/kyles2000z/z28%2008/004-1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/kyles2000z/z28%2008/002-1.jpg

01BlackBird

07-16-2008, 10:48 PM

theres a NIB windshield on ls1tech for 100.00

The EnforceR

07-16-2008, 10:58 PM

kale jsut informed me that SC law states that windshields are always covered and reaplced for free regardlss if you have full covereage or not, he said they made it a law or somethin bc they dont want people driving with cracked windshields which could lead to more serious stuff on the road. hopefully this is correct.

MrDavid

07-17-2008, 04:07 AM

I have never heard that before. My friend James had to pay out of pocket to fix his a little over a year ago. If you just have comprehensive insurance, that will fix it.

How come you don't have full on the Z? You have a lot invested in that baby.

The EnforceR

07-17-2008, 06:01 AM

afer i got my 3rd ticket 2 years ago, insurance went up like crazy for me.

NEMESISVETTE

07-17-2008, 06:02 PM

My 98 camaro has a cracked windshield and I only have liability on it. I called my insurance company and they told me they cant fix it. I very interested in this law.... Please give more info so I can roll out with my F body too :)

The EnforceR

07-17-2008, 06:17 PM

kale is the only one ive ever heard of this from, maybe he can tell more.

BRADSBLACK_SS

07-17-2008, 08:08 PM

Kale Is Correct In This The Insurance Company Has To Have It Fixed!!! My Wife's Minivan Just Had The Windshield Repaired. Didn't Pay A Penny!!!

MrDavid

07-17-2008, 08:51 PM

but did you have comp insurance? That is the argument here . We all know it doesn't cost anything if you have any insurance other than just liability.

NEMESISVETTE

07-17-2008, 09:13 PM

Yes the Q is does liability insurance = fixed windshield?????

hi officer

07-17-2008, 09:57 PM

****

MrDavid

07-18-2008, 04:10 AM

So liability does not fix a broken windshield with no out of pocket expense. Comp will fix it regardless of what the cause of the broken windshield is. Mine cracked last year because of the way we jacked the car way up in the air to change the clutch. It was replaced for free with no questions asked.

hi officer

07-18-2008, 07:07 AM

well yall can look into it further but i was told awhile back that by law your insurance company has to replace it if its a road hazard. i know comprehensive will cover it "no matter what" said with orbit girl accent

LWillmann

07-18-2008, 12:25 PM

State Farm told me that if something flies into your car, Comprehensive covers it, but if you hit something, it's considered Collision and would also be covered, but would fall under the deductable of whichever it fell under.

For me:
Comp = $0 deductable.
Collision = $250 deductable.

She also said that the Collision claim could cause my rates to go up, just because of the claim itself.

I did not realize that the comprehensive would cover you jacking the car up to work on it. If that's true and Kyle has comprehensive, then he's good, depending on his carrier.

At least, we can hope he has a good insurance company.

Sorry I had to edit that post, but I sent the writer a PM about it.

Also, Liability insurance is just that, Liability. It covers your liability in an accident, it pays for the other person's car/property, and medical bills I believe. Does not cover your vehicle/property.

The EnforceR

07-18-2008, 01:10 PM

MrDavid

07-18-2008, 02:55 PM

Kyle, i'm about 99% sure that you will have to pay out of pocket for a cracked windshield if you only carry liability. If all insurance companies covered new windshields for people with just liability, then we would NEVER see a car with a cracked windshield on the street.

01BlackBird

07-18-2008, 03:24 PM

comprehensive is cheap there is no reason you shouldnt have liability and comprehensive it only cost me 30 bucks extra every 6 months for my 2 with comprehensive

MrDavid

07-18-2008, 05:07 PM

comprehensive is cheap there is no reason you shouldnt have liability and comprehensive it only cost me 30 bucks extra every 6 months for my 2 with comprehensive

+1. It doesn't even cost me that much every 6 months for mine. If you get one windshield every 3 years, its paid for itself.

j_willmann

07-19-2008, 10:25 AM

Comprehensive is also what covers your car for theft, fire, vandalism, etc.

LWillmann

07-19-2008, 10:29 AM

i dont have comp....posted that on the last page. thats what the whole question is about. if i had full coverage itd be no questions asked, just get it fixed for free. ive had this windshield replaced for free back when i did have full coverage. oh well...ill call insurance about it in the next fews days.

I replied before fully reading all the posts. Just sorta reacted I guess after reading that one post.

That's kinda what I guess for not reading, sorry.

But comprehensive is a good idea to have for the theft and vandalism coverage at the very least.