Sweet a nitrous forum. Ok so whose sprayin?

[Camaroextra]

Thats Gona be my first BIG mod. 150 tnt wet shot. going strait for the 11's !

lets see your set up

[PNYKLR2]

nitrous is for wimps...bring on the flames!



...but if I was gonna get it I would go all out with like a 200 shot and blow the engine right at the end of the 1/4

[Camaroextra]

nitrous is for wimps...bring on the flames!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/camaroextra/stooopid/easyflame.gif


cmon bring a legit arguement and ill have a smartass answer for you!

[PNYKLR2]

Ok I'll call you on that one!

Seriously the way I view nitrous is that its a quick fix for power, it in no way reflects the true power of the engine. A real motor is all out N/A with built cam, heads, crank, high flowing everything. I would take a 400 hp N/A engine over a 400 hp engine with Nitrous anyday of the week. Plus Nitrous is to risky. Most of the people who buy it get it because it's cheap. Then when they blow their motor the whole point of going cheap is defeated.

[PNYKLR2]

The only application I would run nitrous is when I got the N/A motor to its peak and if the vehicle was for drag purpose only, but never on a daily driver.

[Camaroextra]

Ok I'll call you on that one!

Seriously the way I view nitrous is that its a quick fix for power, it in no way reflects the true power of the engine. A real motor is all out N/A with built cam, heads, crank, high flowing everything. I would take a 400 hp N/A engine over a 400 hp engine with Nitrous anyday of the week. Plus Nitrous is to risky. Most of the people who buy it get it because it's cheap. Then when they blow their motor the whole point of going cheap is defeated.

k k. the taking the 400 hp n/a vs taking 400hp on nitrous is purely your preference and im not gona argue that.

i wouldnt say quick fix, its temporary power. its a way to take my car from 330 to 480 for 10 or 15 seconds, because %95 percent of the time when your driving your built n/a engine your not using all 400 hp. its nice if you want to keep your engine mild (under 400) when you have to drive a lot.

id rather have the fuel economy of my bolt on's engine then rip it when i want than to get the lower fuel economy of a supercharged 500 hp engine and have that power sitting there wasting gas when im not using it

i personally drive 200 miles a week and often in the rain (pretty much rains every day in the summer in florida)

and the blowing the motor argument: an engine cannot handle any more nitrous than it can boost, or just straight up airflow on some badass head. putting a 250 shot on a stock motor is like putting AFR stage-3 325 cfm heads on a stock bottem end, that thing will bind up on its first dyno run.

the only other reason people mess up their engines on nitrous is they run lean and get detonation, but that because they didnt provide an adequate fuel system for the size shot they used.

one last though.
what do heads and cam add? more oxygen and fuel into the cylinder
what does a supercharger or turbo add? more oxygen and fuel into the cylinder
what does nitrous add? more oxygen and fuel into the cylinder

conclusion: its just a different way to get more oxygen and fuel into the cylinder

:goodevil:

[PNYKLR2]

Nice smilie first off, and I agree with the fuel economy statement.

I drive my SS on a daily basis, it is my main vehicle. But its not just how much power you have its how fast it can be applied.

A 400 N/A engine thats fully built up is gonna have a much quicker response to throttle, reach peak power quicker and have a wider power band etc...

The nitrous even though almost instantaneous is just gonna balance out the difference. Plus (yes I know its illegal to use on the road) If some punk pulls up on you in a decent car and runs you from a light to whatever speed and you use the bottle and beat him. Next time around he's gonna get you cuz your out of juice.

I agree nitrous is just the same as any other power adder or etc..But it just doesn't make up for a better engine. I'm not saying nitrous is the devil or I will NEVER EVER EVER use it. Its just a last resort option for me.

[Camaroextra]

Nice smilie first off, and I agree with the fuel economy statement.

I drive my SS on a daily basis, it is my main vehicle. But its not just how much power you have its how fast it can be applied.

A 400 N/A engine thats fully built up is gonna have a much quicker response to throttle, reach peak power quicker and have a wider power band etc...

The nitrous even though almost instantaneous is just gonna balance out the difference. Plus (yes I know its illegal to use on the road) If some punk pulls up on you in a decent car and runs you from a light to whatever speed and you use the bottle and beat him. Next time around he's gonna get you cuz your out of juice.

I agree nitrous is just the same as any other power adder or etc..But it just doesn't make up for a better engine. I'm not saying nitrous is the devil or I will NEVER EVER EVER use it. Its just a last resort option for me.

yeap thats just getting into the preference thing. personally i would like a built engine AND Nitrous, a 500hp/800hp would be ideal for me. but its all preference.

and yeah it is different horsepower, most people set thier window switch to not spray until 3000 rpm, but thats good for street tires and a simple suspension. 500 hp engine with a lot of that under the curve power is hard to keep on the ground, a stock ls1 can run 11.6-11.9 with a tuned 150 shot on stock ass tires, just because the nitrous doesnt kick in until the car is already moving.

[PNYKLR2]

Agreed "The Battle Is Over"

[Camaroextra]

Agreed "The Battle Is Over"
A worthy opponent *bow*

[01 Thunder]

aww man this was getting good.... :(

[Camaroextra]

aww man this was getting good.... :(

sry no drama here, just exchanging opinions

and your mom smells

[01 Thunder]

not as bad as your sister did last night

[Camaroextra]

not as bad as your sister did last night


that sucks, cuz your sister smells real good.

[1slow01Z71]

I have had nitrous on my 5.3 motor and I will ahve it on my 418 soon when the kit comes in. My 418 is pretty much maxed out. I ahve heads big cam etc etc. I dont have the cash for a turbo just yet. It has been my experience that a nitrous fed vehicle will beat a FI vehicle. S/C car vs. nitrous car the nitrous car will win. Nitrous has alot of hp but ALOT of TQ comes along with the hp. I am going to do a write up on how to install a nitrous kit when I install my Nitorus Pro Flow kit which is good up to 350hp:devil: I will spray atleast a 300 shot on my forged 418 I built it with the sole purpose of spraying the shit out of it. I will soon be adding a DP setup after the tax return. If you have any ?s about nitrous feel free to ask I have installed many kits on friends trucks/cars and have done extensive research on nitrous.

[LWillmann]

:bye:

I run nitrous on my LT1.

For me, the 290 RWHP / 350 RWTQ is enough for me for my daily driving. I really don't need any more than that. That was before the converter, not sure what it's doing now.

I installed my nitrous kit for the occasional added boost of power. Mainly for use at the track, even though most of my use so far has been on the roads testing the system and tuning it all.

My goal for the car was 325 RWHP, and right now I get the drivability of my 290, and I've got > 325 when spraying, so I'm happy.

[Lady Redhawk]

I have a TNT kit hitting a 100 shot with it on my 400 rwhp Firehawk. First time I used it at the track, I engaged it at 3,000 rpms off the line. BAD MISTAKE! for my tranny and rear end. It was one hell of a 60' g-force though. It wheel hopped real bad and blow up my tranny, my foot was only in the gas for the first 1.3 seconds but still coasted through the 1/8 mile traps at 43 mph.

I had my tranny rebuilt and then after rebuilding my nerve........took it back to the track. This time I waited until 1/2 track before engaging and made the run that is in my sig.

I have only used the nitrous a few times, I just like to know it is there....and man it is fun!!! Just not always the best thing to do with your car. lol

[1slow01Z71]

Get you some suspension up underneath that thing and launch it on the spray. Thats what I love about nitrous especially in my heavy ass truck on the street in 4hi I could leave pretty much any vette/cobra/camaro etc till about 70-80 then if they were built they wouls real me in. But usually my races are over by the time you hit 60ish so I enjoy launching on the nitrous. I cant wait for my new setup to get on. Old setup with the 5.3 cam full bolt ons and 3k stall with a 100 shot would spin all four for about 3-4 feet the 418 on motor alone will spin them for about 15-20 foot so needless to say nitrous assisted launches are going to be fun.

Nitrous IMO you cant beat for instant power no spooling or or building boost and its cheap when compared to FI. Just really sucks filling the bottles so I got 2 15# bottles and my old 10# going in the tool box of my truck :devil:

[Lady Redhawk]

Get you some suspension up underneath that thing and launch it on the spray. Thats what I love about nitrous especially in my heavy ass truck on the street in 4hi I could leave pretty much any vette/cobra/camaro etc till about 70-80 then if they were built they wouls real me in. But usually my races are over by the time you hit 60ish so I enjoy launching on the nitrous. I cant wait for my new setup to get on. Old setup with the 5.3 cam full bolt ons and 3k stall with a 100 shot would spin all four for about 3-4 feet the 418 on motor alone will spin them for about 15-20 foot so needless to say nitrous assisted launches are going to be fun.

Nitrous IMO you cant beat for instant power no spooling or or building boost and its cheap when compared to FI. Just really sucks filling the bottles so I got 2 15# bottles and my old 10# going in the tool box of my truck :devil:

I had Strut tower brace, lower control arms, BMR Subframe Connectors, Custom mod Torque Arm bracket and BMR Tranny mounts the day I blow up my tranny. Since then I added BMR LCA relocation brackets & QA1 front Shocks & springs. Those should stop the wheel hop, but I really don't have the heart to try it again.

I have scanned my runs with EFILive and I see that at the 60' mark I am at 4,900 rpms and about 40 mph. And during my shifts I do not drop down below 5,200 rpms. So.....if I use a 4800 rpms pill to engage it, I think that would be "safe" for my tranny. Might not give me the best ET but I would rather be able to drive my car home instead of hulling it on the trailer. :cry:

[1slow01Z71]

That is true guess Im just not a very concervative kind a guy. Guess thats also why I have killed a motor 3 trans and a rear end lol. Why dont you slowly step it down some and get it dialed in to the edge of traction with your window switch. Thats what my 2wd buddies do in their trucks and trucks have alot harder time hooking. The progressive controller and window switch are the best things to happen to nitrous users since purge kits and inline filters. Most of my buddies have had good luck with a ramp up rate over 1.8 coming out of the hole on a 50 shot to a 150. Of course this is with M/T et streets on the back and cal-tracs(damn leaf springs). The only buddy that I have with a t/a full bolt ons, small cam and a manual. I installed a kit on his car spraying a 150 shot we set his window switch to 3600 with no progressive controller and he has been doing well with that setup on drag radials. I dont know if it is track prep or what but HRP seems to always hook well. He has drag springs up front with QA1s front and rear. I helped him weld in his sub frame connectors and he had some other stuff done in the rear but I dont know for sure what all it was. I guess Im just a nitrous junkie and like to push it to the limit. Hell I sprayed my 180K mile 5.3 with over 30 10# bottles of 100 shot and 1 bottle with a 125 shot.

[silver-mod-o]

I will be running a 100 shot normally and a 125 on the track on my 85K 5.3L with a purge, heater, window switch and some traction I should be running failrly solid times out of the tank ext cab truck... this will be my first time using N2O on anything besides a Harley so I dont know exactly how its going to act just yet. I will probably need some help on the 19th Cody getting it dialed on the window switch... I have no clue what I am doing with that thing yet.

[1slow01Z71]

What brand did you get please tell me you bought the MSD digital one like I told you?

[silver-mod-o]

I got the HSW one that came with th kit... he basically gave it to me when I ordered the kit, heater kit, and purge system from him all at once... I will probably switch to the MSD window later on but I get thos one for like 1/5 of the price of a regular one...

[1slow01Z71]

Well is it a digital or do you have to use ***** to adjust for rpm?

[silver-mod-o]

its digital... I just honestly have no clue to ask for when I get the tune done for it and everything.... I have never sprayed anything with a computer.

[1slow01Z71]

Basically you back off some timing. Make sure you arent going lean when the nitrous is on. The tuner SHOULD know what they are doing. If I were you I would drive out to San Antonio and let Allen Nelson tune your truck. he is the one that does my tuning and I am slowly learning how to do it on my own from him.

[silver-mod-o]

I dont think I'll have the time or the cash when I finally make it home to go out to SA for a dyno tune... I would like to get some logs done though so I can send them in and hav my mail tune worked up a little better.... I would like to call you sometime and ask you a few Q's Cody... Let me know when would be a good time and I'll give you a ring.... I think your cell is on the thread on pt.net. if not just PM it to me if you dont mind. I just have a couple Q's about these mods and what you think... I take your advice over other's simply because you have kinda "been there, done that" with these trucks... if thats cool just PM me on one of these sites and we'll get together on the phone. I have to figure out the time change though... I am 9 hrs ahead of central time... yikes....

[1slow01Z71]

Yeah its in the thread onpt.net give me a call pretty much any time Im up at all hours. Just not between 6-10am Im usually asleep. Im actually going to be installing a nitrous kit this weekend on APs truck:rrofl:

[silver-mod-o]

thats good man... I might give you a ring tomorrow sometime to discuss some of that tuning stuff. I know you may not know how to "do" all the tuning but I am sure you nkow what to ask for when requesting one done up. I just decided to go with the W4M and see how it goes and if I am not satisfied then go with the Nelson and kick myself in the ass later... If I hate it then I'm only out about 80 bucks. Fogle is doing up some painted stuff too so it will look beter and go better... I still have some body work to do this summer...

[1slow01Z71]

Good deal. The kit install on APs truck went well and didnt take long at all. Give me a ring whenever.

[Robert56]

3-stages and going for 250/300 shot all dry of course. hehehehehe
Oh, and anyone who is afraid of breaking something on the spray, is a Wuss...

1slow01Z71, how ya doing buddy?
Robert

[hondo]

2 dry stages 100 each.:flaming mad:

[unknown_host]

I run a franken-kit. I bought an NOS sniper setup off ebay with a Dominator flange cheater plate. Then I bought NX stage 6 iceman solenoids off ebay, so I have everything I need to do the 150-180 horsepower I plan on.

To you anti-nitrous people- I love nitrous. You can build an engine that is right on the verge of being unstreetable, and stick an extra 100-300+ horsepower on top of that for the track.

A lot of the nitrous blow ups you hear about- it happens but I will say if you are careful and don't cut corners, you can prevent a lot of mishaps. I read about a lot of 4th gen owners who are too lazy to replace their platinum plugs when they get a kit, and pay the price. Also, people who check their fuel pressure at idle and decide it is good enough for WOT nitrous usage (wtf?), people with gen 1 sbc's who don't check their timing, people who run cheap gas, etc, etc, etc.

[PNYKLR2]

Holy cow this post is running all over the place!?!?!

Ok, honest question if I was gonna slap NOS on my car just something mid size like a 100 shot, what kit would you recommend and why?

[TurboLSX]

Ok I'll call you on that one!

Seriously the way I view nitrous is that its a quick fix for power, it in no way reflects the true power of the engine. A real motor is all out N/A with built cam, heads, crank, high flowing everything. I would take a 400 hp N/A engine over a 400 hp engine with Nitrous anyday of the week. Plus Nitrous is to risky. Most of the people who buy it get it because it's cheap. Then when they blow their motor the whole point of going cheap is defeated.

an uneducated man

[The EnforceR]

whoa, this was dug from the grave.

[MrDavid]

for real, I think it needs to go back

[Robert56]

Sprayed a 235rwhp dual stage dry to 10.85 at 129mph on an absolutely bone stock long block. Try to get 550rwhp and 636rwtq on a n/a motor, it'll never happen, and that's the beauty of nitrous.

[TurboLSX]

for real, I think it needs to go back

i was digging and gettin dirty:drinking: